You're gonna confuse the dude. Rob has already told him some tweaks to work on.Originally Posted by noeymc
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Quick question for Rob or anyone else. Recently tried this drill to keep the hand behind the ball (found here: http://voices.yahoo.com/how-hook-bow...24.html?cat=14) and noticed my ball actually hooked a lot more. Why is that? I used to bowl somewhat like this, lofting the ball, and remembered that my ball hooked more. Here is a video of me doing the drill:
http://youtu.be/6ha160GMsoI
Last edited by shadowshocker; 05-01-2014 at 05:32 AM.
The reason that the ball hooks more has nothing to do with the loft from the drill. The fact of the matter is that, with modern bowling balls, less is more. The more we "try" to make the ball hook, the less it hooks. Because of the strong covers and dynamic cores, balls know how to hook all by themselves when we just learn to stay out of the way and let them do it. It's just a matter of making sure that your hand is behind the ball and not on the side, and simply letting it go. By doing this you are rolling the ball instead of throwing the ball while trying to spin it.
Okay, so if I'm understanding you correctly, the reason why my ball is hooking more in the video is because I'm actually doing less to hook it?
Can you tell me what I am doing differently in the drill video as compared to my form video? Is my hand actually staying behind the ball in the drill video?
Last edited by shadowshocker; 05-01-2014 at 11:35 AM.
Yes, your hand is staying much more behind the ball when you are doing the drill. Here's something that you can do to expand on the drill, using your full approach:
First, throw a few shots, trying to throw a back-up ball. Keep your hand on the inside part of the ball and try to rotate the ball in a clockwise direction to make it curve from left to right. You may not be able to get it to actually back up, but that's okay - it should go straight with very little hook and track very close to, or even hitting the thumb hole. Once you have done this a few times, put your hand in the same position and let it go, doing absolutely nothing to the ball.
I gave a lesson to a bowler from out of state a few weeks ago as he is preparing to join the PBA50 Tour next year. As soon as he got his hand in the back up ball position and did absolutely nothing to it, his only comment was, "Wow, I've never seen my ball roll like that before." Just learning to let the ball do it's job will make a tremendous difference to your bowling.
Just chiming in here to say thanks for the tips... going to be trying a couple of these drills in practice
ShadowShocker: It occured to me earlier today that you made a quantum jump from your original question about your consistency, to working on your release. A word of caution: you cannot develop a decent release until you perfect your timing. Work on the initial 2 areas, pushing out on your second step instead of your third, and get the ball under your shoulder instead of in front of you. Please do those things and get them down to the point that you are totally comfortable with them before you mess with your release. Trying to work on your release now is a waste of time.
Understood. Thank you!
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