Me bowling advice appreciated

[Aslan]

Again, maybe we need some rule that experience < X years or average < X can't give advice.

I mean, he's releasing the EXACT way I was…and you gave him the EXACT advice you gave me. I was merely sharing my take on it having made the EXACT same adjustment he likely will need to make.

I wasn't "debating" you…just clarifying. As you left it…simply rolling it would = more revs. And it simply is not factual from what I've found. Anyone thats ever used a strike ball to pick up spares by keeping their hand directly behind the ball knows that. I have tons of video on youtube…if anyone wants to show me how my revs have increased after transitioning from "throwing" to "rolling"…is welcome to it.

We can debate "opinions", and I'll just defer to yours…but we can't debate facts.

[Amyers]

First I want to thank everyone for their comments. I didn't realize I was throwing the ball instead of rolling it until you guys mentioned it. It's amazing how easy it is to get in that habit. I bowled leagues last night sorry no video had no one to take it. I threw 139(yuck), 165, 169. Felt better the last two games but I was getting no reaction (hook) out of the ball at all. I do have a reactive ball currently throwing a polished seismic euphoric. I would like to add something a little more aggressive in the future. I picked this as I was rev dominate with my older ball but I seem to have picked up some speed and lost revs here recently. I don't know if I have a modern release or not. I know aslan is newer I have watched a lot of his earlier and later vids I am impressed by his want to get better. I averaged as high as 195 and this is back in the days when urathane was aggressive and that was one of the higher averages in my house. I also bowl at and older alley with wood lanes and often poor pin action so I know what aslan is going through with that. My return has been strange I have thrown as high as 265 and dropped a 650 series the other day. I have also thrown some of the worst games I have ever had recently a 128 the other day the 139 at league I don't feel very good about either. On staying inside the ball aslan has some points I was experimenting with this after leagues and once I came threw the ball and it felt right and it looked to have about my normal revs two other times it was a backup ball and the only use I could come up with was for shooting 7 pins. I'm sure I'm not doing it correctly at least consistently. I find a lot of difference in my revs on how much I cup my wrist I don't really know if you have experimented with that or not aslan I do much better with revs when I do but I have times when I can do it perfectly but does seem to cause me to loft more other times it affects my accuracy. I quit doing it my last two games of leagues last night ball wasn't hooking anyway and I was hitting my marks better. I will provably have som more vids today or tomorrow thanks for everything guys

[Amyers]

Here are some new video from practice today felt better threw 219 and 186. Actually felt the second game was better but threw two pocket 7-10s. I was trying to work on my release and slowing up a bit. Rob I know I don't have the best angle here but if you could let me know what you think I would appreciate it. Anyone else who would like to comment your welcome

http://youtu.be/FIwenLkhRWI

[RobLV1]

The last shot, your timing was really good. It was a strike before you ever let it go. The others... not so much. The push away and the ball go with you first step (the fourth step back from the line for the five steppers). When you push away with your first step, you roll a great shot. When you step and then push, you don't work on that. That enables you to post your shot (hold your follow-through). When you can't hold your follow through, you're late, and depending on what you do to compensate, the ball can go anywhere.

[Amyers]

Practiced again last night shot 168-186-175. Worked on the timing still not quite there yet. Shot spare pretty well was clean on the second game. Bowling is strange my release felt really good the day before but it was never quite right yesterday.

I seem to get off to a slow start it seem to take me a while to find my line and get warmed up do others have this problem. It takes me 3 or 4 shots to feel like the ball is coming off my hand right and then at 4 more to get my line right

[got_a_300]

Your timing in the first videos was pretty much that of a
5 step approach only you were taking 4 steps instead.

The last video your timing looks a little bit better but it is
still a hair late on most of your shots and thus it is throwing
you off balance at the foul line.

Have you ever considered going to a 5 step approach? I used
to have about the same timing issues when I first started out
bowling and using a 4 step approach.

The lane man who was a great bowler himself worked with me
and got me changed over to a 5 step approach and all my timing
issues went away and back then I could post every shot without
any trouble.

I learned how to use and change up between a 4 step and a 5
step approach as conditions warranted it but fast forward quite
a few years and with a bad back and bad knees it is a lot harder
to post shots and hold the position until the ball hits the pins now
days.

If you keep on working on it and practice you will be able to master
your approach one of these days soon.

[rv driver]

Here's my 2-cents' worth. I'm not a coach, but I used to be a bowler with an average just shy of 210. On your first step, the ball ought to be on its way down. by the end of your second step, the ball should be approaching the apex of your backswing. All of that is late, which means that your forward swing and release are late. When that happens, all your weight is being balanced on your left foot,but you've got a lot of late weight movement (arm, shoulder, body carry-through and ball) coming forward after your left foot is already planted. That will cause a rotation around that planted foot in the direction of the movement. If you were looking at yourself from a top view, you would see your shoulders moving counter-clockwise around the axis of your left foot. That's what's throwing you off balance and causing you to pull your shot to the left. If you did a few things (in my humble view): 1) bring the motion of your throwing arm into congruity with the motion of your left foot as it takes its slide step, 2) set your weight back just a hair behind your left toe (which requires more knee bend) your weight and momentum wouldn't be thrown counter-clockwise around your left foot, causing your weight to come forward of your balancing left foot, over the foul line, 3) put your left arm out in front of you on your backswing (thus putting your left shoulder slightly ahead of your throwing shoulder). and 4) put a bit more slide into your slide step, you would counterbalance the weight, offset the momentum of your shoulder, and release the ball on time.

[RobLV1]

Exercising great restraint here!

[Amyers]

Rob was it something I said

[RobLV1]

No, it was something rv driver said: "I'm not a coach, but I used to be a bowler with an average just shy of 210." A bowler with an average of 210, or 220, or 230, or 240, or whatever is not a coach. There is a different skill set involved in coaching than in bowling. If you want to learn to coach, go through the USBC Coaching Certification program. Contrary to popular belief, it's not just a matter of pay your money and get your certification. You actually have to learn something! Walter Ray Williams Jr., who has won more PBA titles than any other player in history EARNED his Silver Certification. The same can be said of Wendy Macpherson, Carolyn Dorin-Ballard (who is currently in charge of the USBC Coaching program), and many others including the late Tony Reyes, and Rhino Page who both attended the same Silver Certification class that I did. Even Mark Baker, with all of his fame and experience went through some of the certification program though I'm not sure how far (I just know that he was in the same Level I class that I was).

If you want to learn to coach, by all means, do it! There are far too few qualified bowling coaches out there, and, frankly, bowlers deserve to have us as a genuine resource to help them to learn this great game.