Right, but owing to the late timing, doesn't it make sense to bring the ball out and down on the first step (I understand that a lower beginning point will speed up the swing timing)?The ball and the first step should move in tandum, with the ball being moved in an outward direction, not upward.
Ok. You're right. I was moving a little too fast there.Ball should be by the ball side leg at the end of the second step.The ball reaches the full height of the backswing at the end of the third step.
Right. But I was looking at the resultant balance problem. It looked to me as if the swing, being late, was throwing his weight forward of the slide foot after his foot was planted. With the momentum of the slide foot/leg stopped, and the shoulder/arm still moving forward, wouldn't that cause what I suspected: the shoulder moving counter-clockwise around the "X" axis of the slide foot/leg, thereby causing him to pull the shot to the left and causing his right foot to step out to the right?The slight pause at the beginning of the push away, combined with the upward motion of the push away and the resulting muscle in the swing is causing the late timing.
So, you're saying that it has nothing to do with momentum and everything to do with psychology? Why couldn't it be both? A large person throwing a heavy ball creates a lot of momentum that will pull the body along further, yes?When the bowlers slide foot reaches the line before the ball does, a natural reaction is to pull the bowling shoulder forward to help the ball to catch up. This is called "late timing trying to be early." This often leads to pulled shots, and general inconsistency in terms of hitting the intended target.
I love this concept! Thanks.When the motion of the ball (the motion of the throwing arm should be free of muscle and totally dependent on the momentum of the ball's motion) is "brought into congruity with the slide step," the bowler has corrected his timing. This is easier said than done, but a good exercise that I often recommend is to concentrate on posting every shot at the line. In order to post the shot, the timing must be correct, and it's often easier for a bowler to kind of back into a timing correction by concentrating on the finished result - posting the shot.
You're absolutely correct here. That's not only true in coaching, but in teaching of any kind.One of the first things that coaches are taught during the Certification process is that by introducing more than two or, at a maximum, three things for the bowler to work on at one time you run the risk of causing massive confusion and doing the bowler more harm than good.
Ok. Do you think, though, that ("good coaching" aside) the "fixes" I suggested are technically incorrect? If so, why?In this particular case, I believe that the bowler would benefit the most by: 1) Making sure that the ball moves in an outward, not upward, direction in tandum with the first step, 2) Posting each shot at the line to correct late timing, and 3) Rolling the ball rather than throwing the ball to further encourage neutral timing by discouraging a muscled pull of the ball as it is thrown down the lane.
No, they're not wrong, just convoluted. You have a sense about coaching, but you need some direction. You are a PERFECT candidate for the USBC Certification program. Your comment about "all teaching" is absolutely correct. I am a retired middle school teacher. With you, it's just about focusing your attention to the relevant issues, as hard as it is to ignore the others.
Good call! I see how your suggestions are more focused and thereby more effective. Thanks for your input. I was looking at it purely from an ergonomics standpoint, ignoring the psychology of effecting the "fix."Originally Posted by RobLV1
Well I'm off to league tonight hope to shoot good scores we will see. I'll post them later if anyone else is bowling tonight good luck!!!!
Well I bowled tonight if you want to call it that. Positively the worst I have bowled in my memory. 138-134-116 I was so embarrassed. I had struggled last week in this league and decided to move farther outside even though that is a line I'm not real comfortable with. Big mistake I missed my marks by as much as ten boards on some shots tonight just didn't have it and even when I threw a decent shot nothing good happened. I don't know back to the drawling board I will practice tomorrow. I did feel my balance was some better today I was able to post over half my shots but it really didn't seem to help my pulling the ball to the left. Some days your the bug some days your the windshield. Today I was the bug.
Focus.... Focus,,,, and Focus
Hey everyone has days that they would like to have (do overs!) A HUGE part of any bad day I have bowling, has to do with FOCUS! Focus can make or break you in bowling! Keeping your mind, and eyes FOCUSED on that mark, and NOT TAKING YOUR EYES of that mark. Much like hitting a golf ball!
You will live Amyers... LOL..... Keep on Rolling them there balls, and FOCUS..... (So many things will fall into place, but it all begins with FOCUS.
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Missing your mark by that much is most probably a timing issue. Practice posting your shots (hold your follow though until the ball is past the pins). The only way that you can post a shot is if your timing is correct. Sometimes just concentrating on posting will allow your body to fix your timing without looking at any individual elements in the approach.
Amerys…when I stopped "chucking/throwing" the ball and started at least attempting to roll it…much lower speed and less revs….the number one improvement has been accuracy. I'll still miss by as many as 7 boards if my thumb sticks or I try to put too much into the shot…but as of right now on MOST shots…I'm hitting my target +/- 2 boards. And as a result…everything (average, spare shooting) has gotten better. The only downside thus far has been carry/power….hard to get a good angle into the pocket without that high rpm angular back end.
But my shot is now very much like a Don Carter or Earl Anthony shot. It's low rev…but it's ACCURATE. And what is the biggest difference between a house bowler and a pro bowler?? ACCURACY. A pro can hit within less than a board of his target almost every shot…some even better than that! Throwing/chucking it gave me more power and an angular shot into the pocket…but I was at best +/- 3 boards and at worst +/- 12 boards from my target.
So agree with Ice….focus and accuracy. Remember Mel Gibson's line in The Patriot…"aim small, miss small". I used to aim for an "area" around my target and now I aim for a board. Someday I want to me so accurate I aim for a part of a board. The smaller the target…if you miss…you only miss a little. Aim small, miss small.
And Rob is right. When I make my best shots…I'm balanced on one knee with my arm swinging back and forth. When I'm off balanced or feel like the ball is pulling me across the foul line or off to the side….usually worse shots. But it's gonna be hard. Like you, I'm a bigger guy and my left knee hasn't been 100% since I was 9 years old…so getting low where I have my best balance…not always easy.
You realize, I can't count that towards your entering VBT average right? I'm going to use your average from last night's league sheet (BEFORE you shot that). So if it was all a big sandbagging attempt to win the VBT…FAIL. <----- kidding.
Also, reminder, send me the scan of the league sheet from last night so I can get your average into the system.
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The worst day bowling beats the best day not bowling... At least you're on the lanes throwing a ball!Hey everyone has days that they would like to have (do overs!) A HUGE part of any bad day I have bowling, has to do with FOCUS! Focus can make or break you in bowling! Keeping your mind, and eyes FOCUSED on that mark, and NOT TAKING YOUR EYES of that mark. Much like hitting a golf ball!
You will live Amyers... LOL..... Keep on Rolling them there balls, and FOCUS..... (
Low and slow -- just letting the shot happen allows you to better integrate your movements with the ball; it's always worked for me, anyway. The minute I begin forcing, I'm off the mark.
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