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    Quote Originally Posted by rv driver View Post
    Granted, I'm a Noob when it comes to reactive bowling, but it seems to me that the way you get a ball to hook "more" is by the way you release it -- not by the way the cover is finished. That would only make it go longer or hook sooner, yes?
    Theoretically...the solid coverstock will hook sooner than the pearl. But as I stated and as you bring up...that can be completely changed based on increases/decreases in speed and rev rate. The best way to get a "picture" of it is to go to like Rotogrip or Storm websites and take a look at their little ball track comparisons. You'll see the difference when comparing balls with similar stats but different coverstocks. It's harder to compare using actualy bowlers because their releases and speeds and accuracy will vary so much.

    For example, I have trouble playing inside because I can't get my solid coverstock ball to stay right of the headpin at low speeds...it wants to start hooking earlier. And I can't get the pearl coverstock ball to come back into the pocket...it goes too long and then doesn't have the revs to come back.

    I alwalys think of the difference between pearl and solid like this:
    - A pearl coverstock...OTB...is going to make a track that looks like a fish hook.
    - A solid coverstock is going to make a track that looks more like a backwards "C" of a bow (bow/arrow).

    If you throw the solid coverstock and it hooks a little too early and you go brooklyn or through the center....then you throw a pearl and it goes a little too far before coming back and leaves you with a washout...then "hypothetically" a hybrid coverstock would likely hit the pocket just right. But...it's all complicated and convoluted and there are core differences and drilling layout differences and RGs and Diffs and at the end of the day...you can take any of those balls and change your release or approach a little and probably get them into the pocket. So, like I said, I'm still unsure as to how important the ball specs really are at the end of the day. Especially when the average league bowler can't hit the same board +/- 2 boards with great consistency.
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    Well I've got go pick my ball back up tomorrow. At leagues Monday night my pro shop guy noticed that I was having issues with my thumb. Been developing a blister right above the joint on the front right. He suggested slugging the thumb hole might help.

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    Well I picked my ball up had it slugged and then he decided to redo it because he wanted to change the pitch went from 3/8 reverse to 1/16th forward. He also had me change from a 4 step approach to a 5 and adjusted the way I line up with my ring finger cocked more toward the pins more. The transition to the five step was easier than I expected. I believe the pitch change is going to help with my thumb problems. He thought the reason my revs have dropped is because my thumb was coming out way early. When I got it right the ball looked pretty good but I was still spraying it around more than I care for

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    There is no surface change that is going to make a ball hook more, only earlier. The amount that a ball hooks in terms of the angle of the direction change is determined 100% by the release of the bowler. Changing the surface will make it hook sooner or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    There is no surface change that is going to make a ball hook more, only earlier. The amount that a ball hooks in terms of the angle of the direction change is determined 100% by the release of the bowler. Changing the surface will make it hook sooner or later.
    Rob you are right and as usual I could figure out something was wrong but misdiagnosed the problem. The real problem was my thumb coming out of the ball to soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    There is no surface change that is going to make a ball hook more, only earlier. The amount that a ball hooks in terms of the angle of the direction change is determined 100% by the release of the bowler. Changing the surface will make it hook sooner or later.
    Thats what I SAID!! I'm so smart.

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    Everything Rob and Al have said rings true. Your balance and timing are a bit off, as evidenced by your falling off of the shot after your release. It's also why you're so inconsistent in your shots - simplify the swing (don't muscle things) and work on the timing so that you're balanced at the end of your shot.

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    Also, listen to Rob above just about anyone around here when it comes to coaching advice..(including me, for sure!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnhoffman View Post
    Everything Rob and Al have said rings true. Your balance and timing are a bit off, as evidenced by your falling off of the shot after your release. It's also why you're so inconsistent in your shots - simplify the swing (don't muscle things) and work on the timing so that you're balanced at the end of your shot.
    Not disagreeing with you by any means, but here's what I've noticed:

    When watching a lot of these "ball reaction videos" the manufacturers and online sales sites put out, they have their pros demonstrating how the ball will yield strike after strike. A lot of these guys, if you watch their shoulders and upper arms, especially, will, like, not even have their elbow straight on the backswing, and it APPEARS as though they are "muscling the ball" through the swing and release. You can almost see them "pushing" the ball along with their shoulder as their elbow straightens out on the downswing. what's up with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rv driver View Post
    Not disagreeing with you by any means, but here's what I've noticed:

    When watching a lot of these "ball reaction videos" the manufacturers and online sales sites put out, they have their pros demonstrating how the ball will yield strike after strike. A lot of these guys, if you watch their shoulders and upper arms, especially, will, like, not even have their elbow straight on the backswing, and it APPEARS as though they are "muscling the ball" through the swing and release. You can almost see them "pushing" the ball along with their shoulder as their elbow straightens out on the downswing. what's up with that?
    Great observation! You've just defined the modern game of bowling.

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