Destroying the oil on league night/day!!!!

[Amyers]

Soooo... this is an ego thing, then? Handicap creates fairness across the board, leveling the field between the bronzed gods and the mere mortals. it's no fun watching the gods win night after night after night. AND it's no fun -- as Hampe said -- kicking a** every night against people who aren't as good as you are. Only a level playing field creates enjoyable competition.

I agree with this. I don't want to kick the crap out of some newbie that averages 80 pins a game and I don't want to have my teeth kicked in by our alleys best every night either with out it at least being a competition. Some times its hard to remember that 170 game for the guy that averages 120 is just as special as the 250 game is for me (average 160 or so) or the 280 or 300 game for the guy that averages 220. Its all the same.

[fsbjcm]

If there were no handicap leagues, bowling leagues would die. Because no new bowler is gonna go pay money to get the crap kicked out of him every week until he learns to bowl 200+, which will probably take a year or two. I know I wouldn't. I like competition, it's why I play sports, and I fully expect to be scratch in the next year or so, but right now, while I'm still learning, I still want to have a chance to win provided I bowl better than my average. Scratch leagues are for experienced bowlers, handicap leagues are for everyone. Can't just say "screw the new guys, if he can't bowl 200 out of the gate he'll just have to lose every week until he can!". New guys are the future of bowling!

[RobLV1]

Unbeknownst to most bowlers, handicap does not bring true equity to bowling. I don't remember the exact numbers, but a few years ago the USBC did a study of all of the results of all of the handicap leagues in the country. They concluded that for lower average bowlers to actually be able to compete with high average bowlers, handicaps would have to be based on 115% of the high league average. Look at it like this: if the handicap is based on 90% of 220, and the 220 bowler bowls his average, his handicap score is 220. If a 160 bowler in the same league bowls his average, his score is 160 + 54 = 214. The high average bowler wins. The only way that the lower average bowler has the advantage in a handicap league is if he/she is working so hard to improve that the average goes up before the handicap goes down. Think about this next time before you complain about how many pins you have to give away.

[bowl1820]

Unbeknownst to most bowlers, handicap does not bring true equity to bowling. I don't remember the exact numbers, but a few years ago the USBC did a study of all of the results of all of the handicap leagues in the country. They concluded that for lower average bowlers to actually be able to compete with high average bowlers, handicaps would have to be based on 115% of the high league average. Look at it like this: if the handicap is based on 90% of 220, and the 220 bowler bowls his average, his handicap score is 220. If a 160 bowler in the same league bowls his average, his score is 160 + 54 = 214. The high average bowler wins. The only way that the lower average bowler has the advantage in a handicap league is if he/she is working so hard to improve that the average goes up before the handicap goes down. Think about this next time before you complain about how many pins you have to give away.

It's 116%

Heres a link to USBC information on handicaps

Click here for THE FACTS ABOUT HANDICAPS

Excerpt:

It seems to me that the ultimate handicap allowance would be 100% and at that percent
every team should have a 50-50 chance of winning.
FACT: Even at 100% handicap, as the chart shows, the higher average teams or bowlers still
have a decided edge. An exact 50-50 distribution of league championships would result only if a
116% handicap was used.

[MICHAEL]

Unbeknownst to most bowlers, handicap does not bring true equity to bowling. I don't remember the exact numbers, but a few years ago the USBC did a study of all of the results of all of the handicap leagues in the country. They concluded that for lower average bowlers to actually be able to compete with high average bowlers, handicaps would have to be based on 115% of the high league average. Look at it like this: if the handicap is based on 90% of 220, and the 220 bowler bowls his average, his handicap score is 220. If a 160 bowler in the same league bowls his average, his score is 160 + 54 = 214. The high average bowler wins. The only way that the lower average bowler has the advantage in a handicap league is if he/she is working so hard to improve that the average goes up before the handicap goes down. Think about this next time before you complain about how many pins you have to give away.

thanks for the information Rob! Does it make Iceaman happier???? NO! All that data does not account for the PHD's out there on Big leagues that Sand Bag!! I have seen it,,,,, ICEMAN DOES NOT LIE!!

Again, I am not looking for a level playing field,,,, BRING THEM ON, if I get the shirt beat out of me,,,, so be it! Makes me work that much harder to get better! Every body in this country wants (GIVE ME"S),,,,, LEVEL PLAYING Field's! What's UP with THIS???

Does a person really feel like they won when given pins???? My God,,,,, AM I wEIRd? why doesn't it bother me to go up against guys like Aslan, and Mike White??? I fear nothing,,,,, Don't want a handicap,,,, handicap is for people that have a disability, that I somewhat understand! As long as it's verified by a REAL doctor!!! There are FAKE doctors out there that will write up a disability for a Sand Bagging Low LIFE Bowler!

Reap what you bowl,,,, be REAL,,,, and work hard to get better! That's The Iceman WAY!!! Getting beat in life is only a temporary thing!

This Country has way too many handouts as it is,,,,,, its time to GET REAL IN BOWLING!! It is what it IS!! LIVE WITH IT!!

God Bless America, and God Bless Bowling! Amen!

[austin]

Iceman You are a real idiot.

[RobLV1]

Iceman: Come on out to Vegas and bring it on!

[vdubtx]

Iceman: Come on out to Vegas and bring it on!

LOL, even closer, come on out to Dallas and get a real a$$ whoopin'.

[MICHAEL]

I never said that I was THE BEST DAMN bowler in the country! LOL,,,,, Wow,,,, everyone wants a piece of me!! LOL You might just find me a hard Cube to BEAT,,,, ON A GIVEN DAY! If I am a nut, like one of you said,, (it takes one to know one lol)!! That just might be what YOU are, so what am I??) love pee wee!! LOL

Call me old School, I just think bowling like the pros is the REAL DEAL! Scratch!

Handicap bowling is delusional, giving an inferior bowler the sense that he is better then a person he beat, but was given Godzilla amounts of pins!

I accept all your challenges,,,, Not that I think I WILL BEAT ANY OF YOU, but because I can beat any of you on a given day! I am good enough to do that, FOR A FACT! Take it to the BANK!!

I am not a nut that easy to crack,,, as EACH AND EVERYONE of you will find out!!

Anytime ANY of you want to come to Kansas City, let me know,,, I will pick you up at the airport, or train station!

SCRATCH Bowling is REAL,,,,, the rest is just fun! PEACE!!

[MICHAEL]

Iceman You are a real idiot.

REALLY,,, Austin?? LOL I can't ride my Goldwing to your country,,,, but an idiot is not what I am! That really hurt!! Thanks for the insight, you really know how to hit a guy Down Under! (you do live in Australia right) Get it??? down under,,,, forget it! (