Destroying the oil on league night/day!!!!

**MICHAEL** · 06-06-2014, 11:13 PM

Its getting out of hand, esp with the guy from Australia calling me ICEMAN a bad name! Not even an AMERICAN!!
Remember, America has Drones!! LOL...... LIGHTEN UP GUY!

**MICHAEL** · 06-06-2014, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by RobLV1

Iceman: Come on out to Vegas and bring it on!

I will Rob,,, I think it would be a BLAST!! Maybe toward the end of this summer.... would be a fun ride on the bike!! Would be great to meet you bud!! I do enjoy your coaching thoughts and ideas!

OK THIS IS THE REAL last time I am coming back to this thread!!

**austin** · 06-06-2014, 11:22 PM

Yeah I got the down under joke. Like I've never heard that before.

By your reasoning everyone should have no handicap. Regardless of age or ability or injury or any of these worthwhile reasons. While I am happy to bowl scratch leagues, it is just ludicrous to say that no one should be able to have handicaps. By your statements everyone should bowl scratch, forget the fact that age can affect some people, injuries past or present others etc. Or how about the younger bowlers who just don't have the power to throw the big numbers. If these people had no handicap it would be so demoralising for most of them I doubt any of them would keep coming back week after week. While I support and bowl in scratch events, handicaps are in place now and should be, for very good and valid reasons.

**MICHAEL** · 06-06-2014, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by austin

Yeah I got the down under joke. Like I've never heard that before.

By your reasoning everyone should have no handicap. Regardless of age or ability or injury or any of these worthwhile reasons. While I am happy to bowl scratch leagues, it is just ludicrous to say that no one should be able to have handicaps. By your statements everyone should bowl scratch, forget the fact that age can affect some people, injuries past or present others etc. Or how about the younger bowlers who just don't have the power to throw the big numbers. If these people had no handicap it would be so demoralising for most of them I doubt any of them would keep coming back week after week. While I support and bowl in scratch events, handicaps are in place now and should be, for very good and valid reasons.

I figured you would get it! LOL Hey I am 65 Austin,,, started bowing at 62 after I retired! Never bowled league before, or even knew what a finger tip ball was. I am a Retired Iron Worker, Local 10! I put up structural steel, buildings, bridges, towers, ornamental iron you name it! Walking the high Iron I believe gave me some great skills that flowed over into bowling! Balance and focus!

I don't think that everyone should bowl scratch, but try to find a scratch league around here at a place and time that is convenient, (if you can find one at all).

You mention older and younger bowlers, I am an older bowler,, LOL,, but that doesn't mean I want a damn pin for any young whipper-snapper.. LOL

I get your point and many others that like handicap! I bowl handicap because its basically all there is around here, even tournaments seam to be handicap.

Am I a HIGH AVERAGE HOT SHOT!! HELL NO! LOL,,, any where from 190 to low 200s on my current leagues. But on a given day I can have, ( like this last year,,, 300's, and a dozen or so 700s... best about 6 months ago a 780! I was good enough THAT DAY 3 games to beat a lot of younger, and older bowlers.

That's all I am saying! I worked hard and high my whole life, no ONE EVER gave me anything! When I played College football, and ran track, no one ever ,,, EVER gave me anything. I get more satisfaction out of beating another bowler when its scratch!

Me vs Michael thread was me and Jason, a 230 average incredible bowler! Jason was 23 at the time, now 24 I believe. We had a blast going at each other every Friday and posting our scores... LOL

Was, and IS JASON a better bowler then Iceman,,, (((HELL YES)) lol but on that given Friday with all the chips on the table, I kicked his ask,, most of the time, ( if I remember correctly)! LOL

I am not an idiot, LOL,,, but I DO NEED HELP!! (so some say!)

**mc_runner** · 06-07-2014, 10:37 AM

I kind of understand where Iceman's coming from. Think of it this way - when you're bowling in a handicapped league, and you look at your scores... do you say "hey I bowled a 280 game with handicap"? At least for me... I don't, I say hey I got a 235, doing well! Likewise if I'm going against another team's bowler and we have the same handicap... I look at the scratch scores to beat. Pretty much the only time handicap comes into play is the total game scores and points.

In that sense bowling in a scratch league would be good but I sure know that when I started (and even now) I wouldn't have joined a scratch league. Handicap leagues even the playing field enough that you don't feel AS intimidated to join if you're new. Someone said that without handicap, bowling leagues would die - I definitely agree.

However, the better you get... the more you want to sharpen your skills which a lot of handicap leagues don't really motivate you to do - why get better when you can make up with handicap? At that point a scratch league would be great especially if you're around that 200 avg mark. It'll motivate you to get better and get your competitive juices flowing! And, it's kind of depressing if you're in an alley where no one wants to bowl scratch, or a sport shot, or what have you. I think that's what Ice is saying... there just needs to be that OPTION.

**tccstudent** · 06-07-2014, 10:41 AM

2 of the 3 fall leagues I will be bowling in are scratch leagues.

**rv driver** · 06-07-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by mc_runner

I kind of understand where Iceman's coming from. Think of it this way - when you're bowling in a handicapped league, and you look at your scores... do you say "hey I bowled a 280 game with handicap"? At least for me... I don't, I say hey I got a 235, doing well! Likewise if I'm going against another team's bowler and we have the same handicap... I look at the scratch scores to beat. Pretty much the only time handicap comes into play is the total game scores and points.

In that sense bowling in a scratch league would be good but I sure know that when I started (and even now) I wouldn't have joined a scratch league. Handicap leagues even the playing field enough that you don't feel AS intimidated to join if you're new. Someone said that without handicap, bowling leagues would die - I definitely agree.

However, the better you get... the more you want to sharpen your skills which a lot of handicap leagues don't really motivate you to do - why get better when you can make up with handicap? At that point a scratch league would be great especially if you're around that 200 avg mark. It'll motivate you to get better and get your competitive juices flowing! And, it's kind of depressing if you're in an alley where no one wants to bowl scratch, or a sport shot, or what have you. I think that's what Ice is saying... there just needs to be that OPTION.

Maybe it's just where I come from, but we called the handicap leagues the "beer leagues," because they were mostly just for fun; no one was really trying to improve their game, or were even really serious about bowling. Bowling was a means to an end -- not the end of itself. The scratch leagues were where the serious bowlers played -- and NO ONE drank beer at those leagues! They wanted to stay sharp. I never bowled a scratch, although I could have.

I think it depends a lot on the particular clientele of a given center. Some centers are full of clowns who are better than they ought to be and don't really care; others have folks who are into the sport and trying to improve their game.

**MICHAEL** · 06-11-2014, 11:53 PM

OK ASLAN,,, get this straight,,, I didn't only bowl at the AMF, that closed, as you put it one with blocked oil lanes.... which inableled me to throw those two 300 this last year! I would say come on down, and give it a try,,,, you have been bowling longer then me,,,, and much more coached! LOL... OOOOOOO you can't,,,, they closed those lanes because of too many 300's and 800's!! (

One thing, as I have mentioned both AMF's did was give us fresh house, or sports oil before EACH AND EVERY LEAGUE.

Now that I am bowilng at Gladstone Bowl, I notice for the FIRST TIME THAT they allow games on the LEAGUE lanes BEFORE WE Bowl! I have head that this could be used to destroy the oil for certain bowlers, if you know their track! Thus give unfair advantage, not to mention just screw up and destroy the oil.

I just assumed before bowing at Gladstone Bowl, that all houses kept people off the oil that was applied just prior to us bowling at the amf's!

Learn something new every day!!!

How many of you at your Lanes allow games on league night, prior to bowling your leagues?? DON"T MOST KEEP THEM OFF???

The 48 lane AMF that I also bowl on now, does guaranty fresh oil for our leagues,,,, and by the way our TEAM IS IN FIRST PLACE at the present time. (

3 person league, we have a game and a half lead at this time,,,, It's MY wife, Iceman, and a good friend! (seniors league at 1pm on Mondays, its a blast,,, a COOL BLAST.... ICEMAN!! (

**rv driver** · 06-12-2014, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by MICHAEL

OK ASLAN,,, get this straight,,, I didn't only bowl at the AMF, that closed, as you put it one with blocked oil lanes.... which inableled me to throw those two 300 this last year! I would say come on down, and give it a try,,,, you have been bowling longer then me,,,, and much more coached! LOL... OOOOOOO you can't,,,, they closed those lanes because of too many 300's and 800's!! (

One thing, as I have mentioned both AMF's did was give us fresh house, or sports oil before EACH AND EVERY LEAGUE.

Now that I am bowilng at Gladstone Bowl, I notice for the FIRST TIME THAT they allow games on the LEAGUE lanes BEFORE WE Bowl! I have head that this could be used to destroy the oil for certain bowlers, if you know their track! Thus give unfair advantage, not to mention just screw up and destroy the oil.

I just assumed before bowing at Gladstone Bowl, that all houses kept people off the oil that was applied just prior to us bowling at the amf's!

Learn something new every day!!!

How many of you at your Lanes allow games on league night, prior to bowling your leagues?? DON"T MOST KEEP THEM OFF???

The 48 lane AMF that I also bowl on now, does guaranty fresh oil for our leagues,,,, and by the way our TEAM IS IN FIRST PLACE at the present time. (

3 person league, we have a game and a half lead at this time,,,, It's MY wife, Iceman, and a good friend! (seniors league at 1pm on Mondays, its a blast,,, a COOL BLAST.... ICEMAN!! (

It's been a loooong number of years, but if I remember correctly, our little 16 lane house closed the alleys for some time before leagues (we actually had a "league night" -- small town, don't you know -- I think it was Tuesday), and you couldn't bowl because they were dressing the lanes for league.

Wow! What great memories!