Destroying the oil on league night/day!!!!

[circlecity]

My wednesday league starts at 6:30 and the house stops all open bowling at 5:30 so they can oil all the lanes for us.

[Mike White]

That's different MIKE!! Moonlight bowling does very little damage to oil, its a scientific fact backed by the academy of Science!!

Ok MIKE I will stop and think,,,, tic,,,tic,,,, tic,,,,,,,tic,,,, OK I did mike! I am entitled because I AM ICEMAN!!! League is league, recreational bowling is RECREATIONAL bowling, using house balls ect ect... Oil to MOST Saturday open bowling is not IMPORTANT..... most don't know there is even oil on the lanes ..... surly you know that MIKE!!!!

Ok, I can accept that you're new. But a newbie calling something a fact doesn't make it a fact.

Open bowling (moonlight) using mainly house balls, carries a lot of oil from the heads to the back ends.

If a good bowler uses plastic or urethane the carry down can be useful since it's aimed at the head pin.

When it's moonlight bowlers, the carry down is all across the lane, and can cause the lane to be unplayable.

[Amyers]

Ok, I can accept that you're new. But a newbie calling something a fact doesn't make it a fact.

Open bowling (moonlight) using mainly house balls, carries a lot of oil from the heads to the back ends.

If a good bowler uses plastic or urethane the carry down can be useful since it's aimed at the head pin.

When it's moonlight bowlers, the carry down is all across the lane, and can cause the lane to be unplayable.

Did Mike miss the joke part of this or is his sense of humor that bad?

[RobLV1]

There are two sides to every coin, and this issue is no different. While it is preferable not to have any open play on fresh oil prior to leagues, it is also preferable to have lanes that were oiled a couple of hours before league starts. When the oil is first applied it spreads for a while which makes it very volitile. As long as the open play is just a game or two with bowlers who are not just using plastic balls, I think I'd prefer letting the oil set up for a couple of hours as opposed to being applied immediately before league starts.

[bowl1820]

so I make sure and bring it up in meetings to begin seasons to make it a rule.

USBC won't back you up on making a rule about not bowling on the lane before league.
They figure a bowling alley's business is not the USBC's business.

Yes As far as the house is concerned, a league can't make a rule stopping open bowling.

Unless a league has a contract with the house, stating no one can bowl on the lanes once they are dressed for league bowling. The house can put open bowler's where ever they want,

I've bowled on leagues in the past that have had contract's like that. You don't really see those in house leagues (Leagues started by the house, but they can).

I've seen contract's where no one could bowl on the lanes once dressed and ones where only members of that league could.

Now leagues can have their own rules regarding bowling on the lanes that league members must follow. The most common is you can't bowl on the lanes your going to bowl on that night a hour before start of league.

But these don't apply to ordinary open bowler's. Now most house's are good for the most part about not putting people on dressed lanes as a courtesy to the league.

I understand how bowlers feel about bowling on used lanes. But as long as the two teams are bowling on the same pair, it doesn't matter if they are used or not or what the conditions on the other lanes are.

You adjust to what your playing on.

[MICHAEL]

I didn't care if USBC would back up the rule or not, just letting the old farts that wanted practice and to burn their own line on the pair they were supposed to bowl on in league be known that others knew what they were doing. They literally tried to use it as a benefit to them so they knew going into league play they could find a line immediately. This particular team doesn't bowl that league any longer.

I think on my Tuesday league, the teams that actually bowled on pairs before league(not the pair they were scheduled to bowl) would purposely bowl the lanes to deplete some head oil to give other teams trouble when they bowled the league set.

I see this behavior among the older bowlers(60+) in the leagues.

I don't believe it vdubtx!!! Where do you bowl,,,,, That doesn't happen here, or at least it didn't at the AMF that Iceman bowled! I guess I will just have to ADJUST TO crappie bowling establishments that DON"T CARE!!!

One thing about the lanes that closed their doors, they were GREAT TO LEAGUE BOWLERS, and gave use fresh oil just before bowling, and that goes for all the leagues. They would NOT LET you bowl on the fresh league oil, but always had open lanes that could be used to warm up if you liked.

Me being ICEMAN,,, I didn't even like the sound of WARM UP!!!!! GRRRRRR!!!!

[MICHAEL]

On my evening league, they do well to attempt no bowling after oiling on league lanes, but they don't guarantee it. Also, the league rules state that you cannot bowl on the same lanes you are scheduled to bowl league on for the hour prior to start time. My morning league gets fresh, unused oil, but it is done after closing the night before, and sometimes heat, humidity and fans can play as much havoc on the lanes as open bowling.

Some houses around here will guarantee the league "fresh oil across lanes", but the lineage fees are more than the normal, unguaranteed leagues. About a $1 a game, if I remember correctly.

It was common at Both AMF's here that I bowl at.,,, one a 48 lane the other I believe 30 something,,,, that they applied the oil JUST PRIOR TO league

Gladstone,,, my afternoon league on Wednesday has all 24 lanes full for our league, so non left for open bowling, or warming up,,, HATE THAT fraise (iceman). Maybe that's why they allow it? My Friday afternoon league uses only 12 of the lanes, and maybe they don't allow it on those lanes. I will ask tomorrow about that!

REGARDLESS, it sucks, and COULD very easily be used by another team to burn of THAT OIL that most modern day balls NEED lots of!!

This IS A FIRST FOR ME! And I am mad as hell .... and I am not going to take it anymore!!! (what movie was this line borrowed from) LOL

[MICHAEL]

Wow what some people will go too. I don't really mind if someone would bowl ahead of us but they generally put the oil down about 30 min before start time so its not usually an issue. But I would have issues with someone bowling on their lanes before the start.

I AGREE AMYERS!!! It's NOT RIGHT! A RULE NEEDS to be made to STOP this injustice to league bowling! It can be used to CHEAT!!! Iceman does not like cheaters!! What lanes do you bowl at Amyers?? I just thought all bowling establishments did the same as mine did!

They oiled just before league, and did not allow bowlers to TOUCH it until warm ups and league! WOW,,,, HOLY ICE CYCLES!!!

[Mike White]

One thing about the lanes that closed their doors, they were GREAT TO LEAGUE BOWLERS, and gave use fresh oil just before bowling, and that goes for all the leagues. They would NOT LET you bowl on the fresh league oil, but always had open lanes that could be used to warm up if you liked.

Me being ICEMAN,,, I didn't even like the sound of WARM UP!!!!! GRRRRRR!!!!

If they were so good to league bowlers, what was the reason they had to close?

[zdawg]

I guess you consider a 3 year old a newborn? Just sayin'.

Well, I guess at 8 months in and bowling in a PBA experience SCRATCH league I'm an infant by Iceman's description???LOL In fairness I was told the sport league would be handicapped but when I found out it was scratch I liked it even more....