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    Default Dosen't maek sense to ICEMAN.... maybe someone can explain??

    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    Here you go again:

    From Storm:
    1500-grit Polished Factory Finish
    1. 500-grit pad – Sand firmly for 30 seconds on all four sides.
    2. 1000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 20 seconds on all four sides.
    3. 2000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 20 seconds on all four sides.
    4. 4000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 20 seconds on all four sides.
    5. Storm® Step Two™ – Polish lightly for 15 seconds on each side.
    LOL,,,,AGAIN,,,LOL,,, You know want doesn't make sense to me is they say 1500 finish out of box! OK.... but what you listed above sounds to me like a 4000 finish with Storm Step Two which says its a 1500 polish... VERY confusing to ICEMAN!! Thanks bud!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL View Post
    LOL,,,,AGAIN,,,LOL,,, You know want doesn't make sense to me is they say 1500 finish out of box! OK.... but what you listed above sounds to me like a 4000 finish with Storm Step Two which says its a 1500 polish... VERY confusing to ICEMAN!! Thanks bud!!!
    It has to do with the underlying grits and the valleys, ridges, peaks they create, not just the final grit used or polish used.

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    I agree ICEMAN, I was similarly confused when I went to put a fresh surface on the IQ Fusion I got use about a month ago. Had to really dig into that to find what abralon pads to use for it. Even more confused when it said to use up to 4000 abralon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    It has to do with the underlying grits and the valleys, ridges, peaks they create, not just the final grit used or polish used.
    To me 1500 FINISH, I would assume means, final result 1500! ( why not say what it actually is, 500, 1000, 2000, and 4000! How in the hell do they call it 1500?

    It's all very confusing,,, I do understand completely the underlying grits, and their purpose! But to call a ball a 1500 grit out of box, and its not, is confusing.

    I know that the whole process is not a Science. 30 seconds with 500,,, hand pressure even with a spinner is not going to be consistent on all four sides..... not to mention the 20 seconds with the other girts... maybe the ball machines are much more accurate, then what a person can achieve by hand.

    QUESTION: What is a matte 4000 finish say on a storm ball.... what steps do you go through for a 4000 grit out of box, like say ( I believe the lucid, or maybe the Gravity?
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    You know back in the old days late 80's for me I don't remember polish having a grit did it always and I just didn't know it or is that newer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL View Post
    QUESTION: What is a matte 4000 finish say on a storm ball.... what steps do you go through for a 4000 grit out of box, like say ( I believe the lucid, or maybe the Gravity?
    Okay here that is again:

    Storm 4000-grit Factory Finish
    1. 500-grit pad – Sand firmly for 30 seconds on all four sides.
    2. 2000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides.
    3. 4000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 5 seconds on all four sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyers View Post
    You know back in the old days late 80's for me I don't remember polish having a grit did it always and I just didn't know it or is that newer?
    For the most part back in the day, most polishes were just re-purposed auto polishes. They didn't for the most part have grits listed.

    Also the grits listed are more like approximations, because there's not really a grit scale for liquid abrasives/polishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    For the most part back in the day, most polishes were just re-purposed auto polishes. They didn't for the most part have grits listed.

    Also the grits listed are more like approximations, because there's not really a grit scale for liquid abrasives/polishes.
    Thanks I have been wondering about that

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    Okay here that is again:

    Storm 4000-grit Factory Finish
    1. 500-grit pad – Sand firmly for 30 seconds on all four sides.
    2. 2000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 10 seconds on all four sides.
    3. 4000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 5 seconds on all four sides.
    WOW,,,, TALK ABOUT CRAZY!!!!! So the only difference between a 1500 finish and a 4000 finish is ONE FRICKEN STEP leave out the 1000 on the 1500 grit.... OOOO and the 10 seconds on the 2000, and 5 seconds on the 4000.....

    CRAZY,,, not logical at ALL!

    Someone needs to come up with a factory finish that makes sense in regards to steps taken!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL View Post
    WOW,,,, TALK ABOUT CRAZY!!!!! So the only difference between a 1500 finish and a 4000 finish is ONE FRICKEN STEP leave out the 1000 on the 1500 grit.... OOOO and the 10 seconds on the 2000, and 5 seconds on the 4000.....

    CRAZY,,, not logical at ALL!

    Someone needs to come up with a factory finish that makes sense in regards to steps taken!!
    No the difference between the 1500 and the 4000 is

    leaving off 2 steps, the polish & the 1000 grit

    as well as the difference in the sanding times.


    There's logic and science and it's about creating the proper surface topography to allow the ball to read the lane properly.

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