POLISHED vs Matte

[rv driver]

This isn't always feasible or easy, as many pro shops don't like to take the time to learn about the bowler. Only there to take your money and ask "What do you want it to do?". I finally gave up on the pro shops with that mentality in my area and found one that actually cares about your game, your arsenal, and makes suggestions based on it.

Fortunately, I've never had a center/pro who didn't take the time with me when I asked. But I'm sure there are more than a few out there.

[MICHAEL]

Also, ICEMAN, you can go to each page on the Storm site for the particular ball you are wanting information on and click on the "Downloads" link and it will give you a link to the Tech Specs for the ball including surfacing instructions.

Here's the page and Tech sheet for your new ball.

Storm Byte

Storm Byte Tech Sheet

SOMETHING ELSE that I don't get is this: When I went to the Storm Demo day, that Byte ball that I had such GREAT SHOTS WITH, was drilled with the pin right between the middle and ring finger about 1/2 inch up!

I took pictures of it so that I could drill mine as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THAT LAYOUT. ((((guess what?? That FRICKEN layout is NOT,,, NOT even mentioned, or shown on THEIR recommended drilling FOR THE BYTE!!???

So I am having it drilled today, with the layout that the DEMO BALL had that day, with the various pitches and even distances between holes, and its not even shown on their ball specks as a recommended layout?

WHAT THE .... I DON"T GET IT!

THANKS BUD, for the information!

[Amyers]

SOMETHING ELSE that I don't get is this: When I went to the Storm Demo day, that Byte ball that I had such GREAT SHOTS WITH, was drilled with the pin right between the middle and ring finger about 1/2 inch up!

I took pictures of it so that I could drill mine as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THAT LAYOUT. ((((guess what?? That FRICKEN layout is NOT,,, NOT even mentioned, or shown on THEIR recommended drilling FOR THE BYTE!!???

So I am having it drilled today, with the layout that the DEMO BALL had that day, with the various pitches and even distances between holes, and its not even shown on their ball specks as a recommended layout?

WHAT THE .... I DON"T GET IT!

THANKS BUD, for the information!

Iceman did you ask the driller what the purpose of this layout was strong, weak, control?

[MICHAEL]

Iceman did you ask the driller what the purpose of this layout was strong, weak, control?

NO, I didn't know that it was not LISTED AS ONE of their preferred methonds on the spec sheets??? I will call Bruce today, hopefully before he drills and ask that question. Bruce is One of the best, most knowledgeable drillers in the Kansas City area. I be he will have and answer

[Amyers]

NO, I didn't know that it was not LISTED AS ONE of their preferred methonds on the spec sheets??? I will call Bruce today, hopefully before he drills and ask that question. Bruce is One of the best, most knowledgeable drillers in the Kansas City area. I be he will have and answer

Well as long as it works I guess it really doesn't matter but would be interesting to know it strange that they used a drilling on a test ball that's not on their sheets.

[vdubtx]

Did you get the layout info from the demo ball? If not, it will probably be difficult to replicate it. Other things to consider are the pin distance from CG and also the top weight of the ball used in the demo. The preferred methods/layouts on the spec sheet are just generic and up to the driller to tweak for individual bowlers style etc.

[MICHAEL]

Did you get the layout info from the demo ball? If not, it will probably be difficult to replicate it. Other things to consider are the pin distance from CG and also the top weight of the ball used in the demo. The preferred methods/layouts on the spec sheet are just generic and up to the driller to tweak for individual bowlers style etc.

YES we not only took several pictures of lay out, we measured it, and also checked the pitches of each hole! Only thing I didn't get was the surface?
Bruce, owner of BP Pro Shop, knows the Storm Rep well that came with the demo balls, and said he could give him a call an get even more info.

He said, Bruce, he wished he would have known I wanted to by the demo, he would have got it done at a discounted price????? DAMN!!! I should have talked to him.

[vdubtx]

YES we not only took several pictures of lay out, we measured it, and also checked the pitches of each hole! Only thing I didn't get was the surface?
Bruce, owner of BP Pro Shop, knows the Storm Rep well that came with the demo balls, and said he could give him a call an get even more info.

He said, Bruce, he wished he would have known I wanted to by the demo, he would have got it done at a discounted price????? DAMN!!! I should have talked to him.

Are you changing the pitches of your grip to match the demo ball?? Curious as you are already set with a fitting. Changing things can have other consequences.

[bowl1820]

I took pictures of it so that I could drill mine as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THAT LAYOUT. ((((guess what?? That FRICKEN layout is NOT,,, NOT even mentioned, or shown on THEIR recommended drilling FOR THE BYTE!!???

So I am having it drilled today, with the layout that the DEMO BALL had that day, with the various pitches and even distances between holes, and its not even shown on their ball specks as a recommended layout?

Just because the ball didn't look like the picture on the drill sheet, doesn't mean it wasn't there. The PAP they used to layout the demo ball was probably different than the generic PAP used on the sheet.

Like it say's on a lot of drill sheets:
"Drilling layouts may look different than illustrated based on bowlers ball track and axis point."

Given that it's a demo ball they would have used a layout that would be controllable and work okay for several different types of bowlers.

The layouts shown on the sheets are not "preferred" Layouts, they are like generic layouts.

The thing wrong with the drill sheets included with the balls is that they're kinda vague and while a "Early Hook Layout" from a box sheet might work for one person, it might not work the same for another bowler because most bowlers have different release specs.

[RobLV1]

Well stated, Al. Many bowlers think that layouts are magic. Where you drill the holes in a bowling ball determines how the core is positioned within the ball in relation to the bowlers positive axis point. Personally, I really think that the positive axis point (PAP) should be renamed the personal axis point (PAP) so that bowlers will understand that matching how a layout looks on another bowling ball has nothing whatsoever to do with how the same layout will look on your ball. The layout simply determines the actual core numbers and how they are changed when holes are drilled in a bowling ball.