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    Ah, ok....now I get what you're saying. Basically, you wouldn't buy from different brands, but say if you already had balls from two brands, I'm guessing you would be Ok switching between them?
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    So much depends on your own preferences for making adjustments. Looking at your current arsenal, I assume that you've had all of the balls for some time. The more you use ball changes as a method for making adjustments, the more that using balls from the same manufacturer can benefit you. In my own case, I often turn to ball changes as a way of making very uneven "pairs" of lanes more manageable. I would estimate that I use two different bowling balls on the two lanes that make up the pair nearly 50% of the time. By using balls from the same manufacturer, I am able to start with the two different balls and change the two independently as the oil transitions. I doubt that I could do that switching across brands. The good news is that when I make a change in brands, the local junior leagues get lots of ball donations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormed1 View Post
    whats this 500, 500, 500 stuff related to surface???? (hammer balls???)H

    Ebonite International uses 4 Haus type machines to put the finish on their balls. After a predetermined time the balls are moved from one machine to the next. In the case of the Hammer you questioned it would mean a 500 pad in the first 3 machines and a 1000 oad on the last. So when you see their listing of finish it is that grit on each of the successive machines.

    Reportedly Roto will be announcing 5 new balls at Bowl Expo


    HAMMER

    Hammer Black Widow Legend
    World Wide Release Date: 8/5/14
    Color: Black/Red Pearl
    Coverstock: NBT Hybrid
    Factory Finish: 500/500/500/1000 Abralon W/ Power House Factory Finish
    Core: Gas Mask
    Weights: 12-16 lbs.
    BSR: $206.95
    RG: #15/2.50
    DIFF: #15/.058

    OK,,,, I need some help here.... I have a spinner with the abalone red pads, (not sure of the spelling), I have 180, 360, 500, 1000, 2000, and 4000.
    Lets say I want to resurface this Black Widow Legend.

    On my spinner, I place that ball, I use the 4 side method,,,, what's next??? do the 500 pad 12 fricken times???
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    since the deadly aim is working GREAT for Iceman, should I go purchase a couple, just incase they stop making this Magic Ball!! How do you know when a ball is going to be dropped by a manufacture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MICHAEL View Post
    HAMMER

    Hammer Black Widow Legend
    World Wide Release Date: 8/5/14
    Color: Black/Red Pearl
    Coverstock: NBT Hybrid
    Factory Finish: 500/500/500/1000 Abralon W/ Power House Factory Finish
    Core: Gas Mask
    Weights: 12-16 lbs.
    BSR: $206.95
    RG: #15/2.50
    DIFF: #15/.058

    OK,,,, I need some help here.... I have a spinner with the abalone red pads, (not sure of the spelling), I have 180, 360, 500, 1000, 2000, and 4000.
    Lets say I want to resurface this Black Widow Legend.

    On my spinner, I place that ball, I use the 4 side method,,,, what's next??? do the 500 pad 12 fricken times???
    Just say no. You have enough balls. Play with the surface on the ones you already have

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    Default LOL,,, LOL Yes the Zero Gravity!!

    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    Michael: Your question to me about the Virtual Gravity points out the problem that Storm had with this ball perfectly. It was not the Virtual Gravity that I was excited about, it was the Zero Gravity. Here's some background: In 2008, Storm introduced the Virtual Gravity which was a very aggressive, early rolling ball (rg 2.48, diff 0.048), following it up in 2009 with the Virtual Energy which had the same aggressive core with a different cover material and surface. In 2011, the next introduction in this line was the Virtual Gravity Nano with the same core, and a new, more aggressive cover material, this time followed up the same year with the Virtual Gravity Nano Pearl, with the same core and a pearlized version of the cover. Fast forward to 2013 with the introduction of the Zero Gravity.

    In my humble opinion as an ex-marketing executive, the naming of the Zero Gravity represents a huge marketing error on the part of Storm. They took a name with a long history of representing early rolling, aggressive bowling balls, and arbitrarily assigned it to a ball with a high rg (2.55), and a low differential (0.037), and created massive confusion not only among bowlers, but among pro shop operators as well.

    Let me give you an example. A friend of mine throws a shot with a whole lot of axis tilt; a semi-spinner. He also sets the ball well short of the foul line. Before you laugh, he averages 220+ on a house shot. Anyway, his go-to balls are the Storm Cross Road, and the Storm Frantic. He was looking for a ball that would give him a slightly different look, and I recommended the Zero Gravity. He went and talked to his ball driller (a very high rev player) who told him that the Zero Gravity would read way too early for him. Apparently he didn't realize that his high rev rate makes the friction of the aggressive cover much more important than the resistence of the rg, while the low rev rate of his customer makes the resistence much more important than the friction, and the friction can still be minimized with a surface change.

    So, back to your original question, yes I bought the Zero Gravity (two, in fact), and really liked the ball. In fact, I bowled a 299 game the first week with the ball. Unfortunately, shortly thereafter I started using Brunswick equipment. Because of my belief that the ability to switch between bowling balls seemlessly is paramount in modern bowling, I really don't like to cross between brands. It just so happens, however, that the week before last I was bowling in the Senior Masters, and on the second day when I was bowling the double burn at 2:00 pm, I decided to go to another bowling center to warm up as I found the 10 minutes of practice afforded by the USBC to be insufficient to get my body loose. As all of my equipment was in the paddock at Southpoint, I grabbed an old pair of shoes and the Zero Gravity and headed over to Red Rock to try and get loose. I still really like the reaction I get from this ball. Unfortunately most of the bowlers who buy the ball are disappointed because they expect an early-rolling hook monster based on the name.
    YES,,,, it even had Iceman confused!!! LOL ( I do know some bowlers that have The Zero Gravity and love it! I threw it at the Storm Demo day, used it inside and outside, but was not impressed. (didn't really work for me, with its generic drilling)

    BUT that Byte was Strike after Strike,,, playing the inside which is NEW FOR Me,,,, I couldn't throw anything but strikes on 4 different lanes, I will never forget that afternoon.

    I have Bytes now, a 14lb, and 15lb. only reason I have the 14, is a guy I bowl with purchased it, and didn't care for it, and sold it me for 60 bucks! Had to plug it,,,, and had it drilled,,, but its too light,,, and doesn't' come off my hand like a 15lb or 16lb.

    Then I purchased a another one 15lbs had a one of the best drillers around town drill it as close as possible to the one I threw at the Storm Demo day.

    One thing I have noticed is PLAYING THE INSIDE and shooting 4 and 5 arrow, like I did on that Demo DAY, is that its not as consistent as playing the 10 arrow with my Deadly Aim! Playing the inside with the Byte, leaves more 10s ringing and flat!


    I am beginning to wonder, WHAT WAS THE MAGIC THAT DEMO DAY??? Why hasn't' it happened since? Was it the oil?? It was a standard house pattern AMF? Was it THAT ball??

    I am not giving up on the Byte, but for now its going to have to take a back seat to the Deadly Aim!!

    The Byte does have a beautiful sweeping hook into the pocket playing across the oil and inside, but not the carry I have with the hammer ball.

    I am new to playing the inside,,,, so maybe my carry will improve with minor adjustments and more practice, and knowledge!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyers View Post
    Just say no. You have enough balls. Play with the surface on the ones you already have

    THANKS Amyers,,, Ice needed that!! You and Nancy Regan both use that catchy fraise!
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    Rotogrips new balls are now on their website
    USBC #9327-540
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    Storm IQ Tour Fusion, Brunswick Mastermind Genisu, Roto Grip Asylum and Ebonite Maxim
    Final Book Averages for Fall:192 Current averages in Summer: PBA 182, Tuesday 202, Thursday 205

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