Something I've been thinking about

[Amyers]

I have two things I'm thinking about and wanted your opinions:

#1. My proshop guy has been onto me about getting a spare ball. My spare shooting is not great I don't track my numbers the way aslan does but I would say I'm about 60 to 70% on single pins other than the 10 and 7 pins which I struggle with about 40% mulitipns other than splits. On league conditions (heavier oil) I can throw relatively straight at them during open play I can't. It would allow me to play more consistent lines at them if I did. I can probably get one for about $50 bucks drilled.

#2. My pro shop guy has a Storm Vivid single drill sitting in his shop I'm wanting to add something with more bite than my Seismic Euphoria (it's a light to light medium ball). I was wanting to wait for the Storm demo days to add some more to my arsenal but I have about 6 to 7 weeks left in both my summer leagues and feel I need something more on the heavier oil. Demo days won't be until fall and I'm ranked towards the top in both leagues. My Euphoria gives me about 10 boards of hook on open bowling about 3-4 on leagues. Two things concern me with this ball.

A. It's asymmetric which I've never thrown.

B. It's a pretty strong ball opposite end of the spectrum from my euphoria. Is it too much?

I can get this ball plugged and re drilled for about $60 to $70 dollars. At this price is it worth taking a chance on? Is it too much ball for me? You guys have seen me bowl although I've cleaned some stuff up since my last videos. I would appreciate you opinions.

[bowl1820]

#1- You can't go wrong getting a spare Ball (your consistent lines reasoning is sound)

#2- The Vivid is a good ball and the numbers are not that different than the euphoria. The main differences are the coverstock and being Asym. and you are looking for something on more oil.

Seismic Euphoria Sym Pearl RG: 2.55 Diff.: .054 Surface:Polished
Storm Vivid Asym Solid RG: 2.52 Dif.: .050 Surface: 2000 Abralon



Let's see 50 for a new Spare ball & 70 for the used Vivid, so around 120 for both

I'd see if he'd bundle them and if he'd cut me a deal. Maybe a $100 out the door, if not still not bad.

[MICHAEL]

I had a bad experience with the Vivid,,, wrote several threads on the subject a while back... Good luck,,, I think just had a bad ball.... they aggred with me, and game me a replacement ball the V.G. Nanno pearl,,, which happens to be the second ball that gave me a perfect game!! So in a way I owe the vivid, for getting a replacement ball that I would not have purchased and the 300 game!! LOL

[Aslan]

I don't track my numbers the way aslan does

First, and most importantly, it's an "L"; I'm not asian.

On league conditions (heavier oil)

One thing I need clarification on…when you talk about "heavier oil"…are you still talking about wood lanes? Or are you talking about playing on synthetics with heavier oil versus playing on wood?

From my experience, oil volume really doesn't matter much if you're talking wood lanes. An entry level ball or a polished, weaker drilled medium-upper level ball is probably going to be fine. Having a couple choices to navigate slightly different conditions wouldn't hurt…but heavily oiled wood lanes are still going to grab as much as lightly oiled synthetics. Wood is at the extreme end of the spectrum.

I am searching for a better release and stronger ball because I went from wood to low/medium oil synthetics AND if I'm going to compete in Vegas or tournaments…I'll be playing on heavier oil synthetics (other side of the spectrum from wood).

I can throw relatively straight at them during open play I can't. It would allow me to play more consistent lines at them if I did. I can probably get one for about $50 bucks drilled.

Most people use plastic or urethane spare balls nowadays. At $50 drilled…not bad. Me, and others like me, "like" the idea of a very polished, low diff. reactive because it tends to "hold" when you miss right on 10-pins. It also gives you a Plan C/Plan D ball for nights when you need to play very straight up the 12-17 boards. But, it's all up to the individual. If a person is missing spares because the ball is hooking too much…plastic/urethane might be a good solution. Especially on wood lanes where it's going to move more than on synthetics. But if you're just "missing", the ball change won't fix it. Only practice will.

A. It's asymmetric which I've never thrown.

Not a big deal…from what I've heard. They say it's less controllable, might react more sharply or erratically. But others have results where it doesn't act much differently to a symmetric core. I wouldn't worry about it.

B. It's a pretty strong ball opposite end of the spectrum from my euphoria. Is it too much?

I agree with Bowl1820…I think the Euphoria is stronger than you think. The problem with going from a pearl to a solid overstock, is, it doesn't hook "more", it hooks "earlier". That will take some getting used to depending on how you throw.

I can get this ball plugged and re drilled for about $60 to $70 dollars. At this price is it worth taking a chance on? Is it too much ball for me? You guys have seen me bowl although I've cleaned some stuff up since my last videos. I would appreciate you opinions.

Like Bowl1820 said, it's a decent deal. It costs me about $45 to get a ball drilled…maybe more to plug it as well…so it's a decent deal.

[classygranny]

Not a big deal…from what I've heard. They say it's less controllable, might react more sharply or erratically. But others have results where it doesn't act much differently to a symmetric core. I wouldn't worry about it.

Not sure who "they" are, but I have two Defiant Souls and I love them. They seem to be very controllable, nice consistent arcing roll. One reads the lanes a little earlier than the other one and has a bit more surface on it. The great thing about it is...if you watch closely, it "tells" you when to change balls - you just have to listen, watch, and trust. This may not be the case for all asymmetrical balls, but I don't think you should rule one out until you try it.

[bowl1820]

I don't track my numbers the way aslan

First, and most importantly, it's an "L"; I'm not asian.

Actually he did spell it right. That's a lower case "L" = ( l ) not a capital "I"

[Amyers]

One thing I need clarification on…when you talk about "heavier oil"…are you still talking about wood lanes? Or are you talking about playing on synthetics with heavier oil versus playing on
.

I was referring to my wood lanes but I don't see that difference between my home wood lanes and the synthetics your talking about. We have three wood houses and three synthetics and I've bowled at all of them. I haven't bowled leagues on the synthetics but I've bowled on them right after leagues and the next day many times and if anything they tend to hook more than my wood lanes even if I'm comparing them day after to day after they still hook more. A lot of the people at my home lanes don't like bowling on the synthetics because they hook too much even in league play. I will say most of the people I've talked too about this tend to be more down an in players where I'm generally more of a inside out player. They also tend to lay with stronger equipment.

[Amyers]

Actually he did spell it right. That's a lower case "L" = ( l ) not a capital "I"

Ha ha lol

[Amyers]

#1- You can't go wrong getting a spare Ball (your consistent lines reasoning is sound)

#2- The Vivid is a good ball and the numbers are not that different than the euphoria. The main differences are the coverstock and being Asym. and you are looking for something on more oil.

Seismic Euphoria Sym Pearl RG: 2.55 Diff.: .054 Surface:Polished
Storm Vivid Asym Solid RG: 2.52 Dif.: .050 Surface: 2000 Abralon



Let's see 50 for a new Spare ball & 70 for the used Vivid, so around 120 for both

I'd see if he'd bundle them and if he'd cut me a deal. Maybe a $100 out the door, if not still not bad.

Bowl1820 do you really think these balls are close? I've seen the similarity in the numbers you listed here but seismic's website lists that ball with a PR( their strength rating) of 160 the next lowest ball is the desperado with a 185 most of the others are over 250. The Vivid was one of storms premier line balls so I would think it would be quite a bit stronger. I've read that cover stock is about 60% of a balls reaction so wouldn't their still be quite a bit of difference between them even though the core numbers are similar?

On the light oil days it screams back but on the fresh I don't get much "hook" out of it. I'm sure if I moved further to the right and played up the 5 board I probably would but that's never been my style.

By the way I'm not running this ball down at all I really like it it hits hard and rarely overreacts it just plays better on lighter conditions.

[Amyers]

Actually he did spell it right. That's a lower case "L" = ( l ) not a capital "I"

I guess ASLAN has become so great we have to use his name all in caps now. I'm just having fun with you