Okay definitely get it just wanted to make sure although I do believe the balls are closer than I expected. From looking at this it appears the biggest difference will be the vivid will start quite a bit earlier.Originally Posted by bowl1820
I'm not saying the balls are "close" and that the Vivid isn't that much stronger, just that the RG & Diff. are very similar And the main difference in them will come from the coverstocks used.
The RG & Diff. numbers are the only ones you can really compare between different brands. The MFG. hook ratings are just about meaningless because each company uses a different rating system.I've seen the similarity in the numbers you listed here but seismic's website lists that ball with a PR( their strength rating) of 160 the next lowest ball is the desperado with a 185 most of the others are over 250. The Vivid was one of storms premier line balls so I would think it would be quite a bit stronger.
Now if we Use BTM's review ratings
The Seismic Euphoria has a Length of 16, Backend of 15 and a Hook rating of 46 using a Polished surface.
The Storm Vivid has a Length of 11.5, Backend of 16.5 and a Hook rating of 53 using a 2000 Abralon surface.
Yes The Vivid has a stronger cover that handles more oil and rolly core which will give you some midlane.I've read that cover stock is about 60% of a balls reaction so wouldn't their still be quite a bit of difference between them even though the core numbers are similar?
So it yes would be stronger than the Euphoria. (do a lot to that 2000 surface which will let it start up earlier)
On the light oil days it screams back but on the fresh I don't get much "hook" out of it. I'm sure if I moved further to the right and played up the 5 board I probably would but that's never been my style.It should It's a Pearl, that is what it's made for lighter conditions.By the way I'm not running this ball down at all I really like it it hits hard and rarely overreacts it just plays better on lighter conditions.
Last edited by bowl1820; 06-29-2014 at 07:47 PM.
Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798
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Okay definitely get it just wanted to make sure although I do believe the balls are closer than I expected. From looking at this it appears the biggest difference will be the vivid will start quite a bit earlier.
If interested Heres the BTM review of the Vivid:
Click for BTM's Review of the Storm Vivid
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Here's the Euphoria Review also:
Click for BTM's Review of the Seismic Euphoria
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Right handed Stroker, high track ,about 13 degree axis tilt. PAP is located 5 9/16” over 1 3/4” up.Speed ave. about 14 mph at the pins. Medium rev’s.High Game 300, High series 798
"Talent without training is nothing." Luke Skywalker
Thanks bowl I've seen some others throw the vivid but I've never seen real people throwing the euphoria so it hard to judge exactly where it's at for me. These are good comparisons.
I can't recommend getting a plastic spare ball enough. It will give you consistency and confidence you will never have from shooting spares with a reactive ball. Nothing worse than going to a new center or playing on a new pattern for a tournament and struggling to adjust your strike ball and then also struggling to adjust your spare shots. A light reactive ball may grab the lane and hold for the 10 pin on a slight miss right......but it will also hook in front and miss on some patterns when you thought you made the right shot (or if you miss slightly left). Get plastic...it will never let you down.
As for the other question, don't be afraid to get a asymmetric ball. If you are at least a little consistent with your release, you'll do fine with it.
Last edited by Hampe; 06-30-2014 at 10:46 AM.
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Current Arsenal: Roto Grip Nomad Pearl, Wrecker, and Hyper Cell; Track 920A and 505A; Storm Tropical Breeze; Plastic Spare Ball
Thanks for the advice I have seen a lot of post from people who don't like asymmetrical balls so they had been scaring me away but at the price and listening to you guys I think I'm going to do both. As far as my release goes I'm at least relatively consistent with it. not the greatest release in the world but I'm consistent with it.
Well now that I have won the RotoGrip Asylum How would this ball fit in with my Seismic Euphoria and should I still add the Storm Vivid? I've never built an arsenal before. I'm definitely adding the spare ball done made my mind up on that.
I think I'd hesitate to advertise the fact that I'd "gotten the Asylum." That would be...
crazy? ;-)
Just toyin' with ya. It's a great win!
Yeah I have Euphoria and an Asylum now maybe I should base my entire lineup around mental states. LOL
HEY!! I wanted to win one of those!....oh, nevermind.
The Asylum will likely feel weaker than your Euphoria. You're going to have to decide whether you want/need a weaker version of the Euphoria (for when the Euphoria can't stay right of the headpin) and use the Vivid for when you want a little more angle into the pocket than you get with the Euphoria. That would typically be the arsenal scenario for those 3 balls.
The other option is to scrap the idea of getting the Vivid (since it's so close in specs to the Euphoria, just with an earlier more anglular hook motion) and have the Asylum drilled more aggressively. I'm not sure how much more aggressive the pro shop can make it...but I imagine if your pro shop guy knows what you have (the Seismic) and that you're looking for more hook in heavier oil...the ball driller can probably use that information to "make" the Asylum into something more aggressive.
Normally, I'd say the Asylum is pretty good for wood lane conditions. I used a Frantic for awhile on wood lanes and the Asylum has similar numbers. But on synthetics, the Frantic is more of a "Plan B" and is the ball I "ball down" to when I'm playing on non-league conditions (oil not fresh) or if the outside dries up to quickly and I'm struggling to stay right of the headpin. There's never a negative (except closet space) to winning a free ball...but if there was for you...it's that this particular ball isn't really what I'd pick as the answer to your "what can I do when the ball isn't hooking enough on heavier oil/league conditions?" question.
Now...the disclaimer here is...I go strictly by the numbers and stats. Rob and I have had this discussion at length in other threads...sometimes the balls don't line up with what the stats say they should do. A lot of what a ball actually does is based on the bowler. I don't have too high of expectations for the balls I'm going to have drilled in late July...because at my rev rate...I might not see a huge difference...no matter what the stats say I "should" see.
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