Something I've been thinking about

[Amyers]

HEY!! I wanted to win one of those!....oh, nevermind.

The Asylum will likely feel weaker than your Euphoria. You're going to have to decide whether you want/need a weaker version of the Euphoria (for when the Euphoria can't stay right of the headpin) and use the Vivid for when you want a little more angle into the pocket than you get with the Euphoria. That would typically be the arsenal scenario for those 3 balls.

The other option is to scrap the idea of getting the Vivid (since it's so close in specs to the Euphoria, just with an earlier more anglular hook motion) and have the Asylum drilled more aggressively. I'm not sure how much more aggressive the pro shop can make it...but I imagine if your pro shop guy knows what you have (the Seismic) and that you're looking for more hook in heavier oil...the ball driller can probably use that information to "make" the Asylum into something more aggressive.

Normally, I'd say the Asylum is pretty good for wood lane conditions. I used a Frantic for awhile on wood lanes and the Asylum has similar numbers. But on synthetics, the Frantic is more of a "Plan B" and is the ball I "ball down" to when I'm playing on non-league conditions (oil not fresh) or if the outside dries up to quickly and I'm struggling to stay right of the headpin. There's never a negative (except closet space) to winning a free ball...but if there was for you...it's that this particular ball isn't really what I'd pick as the answer to your "what can I do when the ball isn't hooking enough on heavier oil/league conditions?" question.

Now...the disclaimer here is...I go strictly by the numbers and stats. Rob and I have had this discussion at length in other threads...sometimes the balls don't line up with what the stats say they should do. A lot of what a ball actually does is based on the bowler. I don't have too high of expectations for the balls I'm going to have drilled in late July...because at my rev rate...I might not see a huge difference...no matter what the stats say I "should" see.

Didn't you win an asylum also ASLAN?

[Aslan]

Didn't you win an asylum also ASLAN?

As was hinted to via the "oh nevermind".

[bowl1820]

Well now that I have won the RotoGrip Asylum How would this ball fit in with my Seismic Euphoria and should I still add the Storm Vivid? I've never built an arsenal before. I'm definitely adding the spare ball done made my mind up on that.

I would wait on the Vivid till you punched up the Asylum which is a med./Heavy oil ball.

For the Asylum I think I'd go with a layout that would start up earlier and go to 2000 with the surface. (But try it with the OOB first, preferably on the oilier conditions your thinking of bowling on. Then see if you need to change surface). If needed you could add a P3 or P4 hole to increase the reaction.

[Blacksox1]

Amyers, I am not a big fan of buying used equipment, unless it has only been on the market for less than 3 months, and the price is right. Get that spare ball, I use a weakly drilled layout on a blue hammer. Get that asylum drilled up too! Welcome to the winner's circle!

[Aslan]

I would wait on the Vivid till you punched up the Asylum which is a med./Heavy oil ball.

For the Asylum I think I'd go with a layout that would start up earlier and go to 2000 with the surface. (But try it with the OOB first, preferably on the oilier conditions your thinking of bowling on. Then see if you need to change surface). If needed you could add a P3 or P4 hole to increase the reaction.

I know the website says medium/heavy and all the bowling ball.com videos make just about any ball look like it will hook the lane…but if you compare the Asylum's specs to the Euphoria…I don't see how he's going to get more hook out of it unless his Euphoria is 3 years old and has never been de-oiled.

But also, I agree…might as well get the free one drilled up and see what you get out of it. And…I agree with Blacksox…not personally a big fan of used equipment. But, at that price…I guess I can see it either way.

[Amyers]

I know the website says medium/heavy and all the bowling ball.com videos make just about any ball look like it will hook the lane…but if you compare the Asylum's specs to the Euphoria…I don't see how he's going to get more hook out of it unless his Euphoria is 3 years old and has never been de-oiled.

But also, I agree…might as well get the free one drilled up and see what you get out of it. And…I agree with Blacksox…not personally a big fan of used equipment. But, at that price…I guess I can see it either way.

Don't forget Aslan that those numbers your looking at are just for the core. The cover stock has much more to do with strength of a ball than the core does. I'm not looking to hook the lanes anyway I would just like something that allows me to plat a little more inside than my euphoria does typically I'm most comfortable standing about 25 or 30 throwing across 15 at the arrows. On league conditions here lately I've been standing on 15 to 20 throwing out to 5 to get any comeback to the pocket.

[Amyers]

I would wait on the Vivid till you punched up the Asylum which is a med./Heavy oil ball.

For the Asylum I think I'd go with a layout that would start up earlier and go to 2000 with the surface. (But try it with the OOB first, preferably on the oilier conditions your thinking of bowling on. Then see if you need to change surface). If needed you could add a P3 or P4 hole to increase the reaction.

Thanks for the info I really prefer to have an idea in my head when I go to the pro shop and not just walk in and have them punch some holes in it.

[Amyers]

Amyers, I am not a big fan of buying used equipment, unless it has only been on the market for less than 3 months, and the price is right. Get that spare ball, I use a weakly drilled layout on a blue hammer. Get that asylum drilled up too! Welcome to the winner's circle!

Thanks black sox I'm define fly adding the spare ball

[bowl1820]

I know the website says medium/heavy and all the bowling ball.com videos make just about any ball look like it will hook the lane…but if you compare the Asylum's specs to the Euphoria…I don't see how he's going to get more hook out of it unless his Euphoria is 3 years old and has never been de-oiled.

Why do you think that the Asylum would be weaker than the Euphoria?

While the Euphoria does have a higher Diff. (.054) vs the Asylum's (.043), that still only gives them both about 6" of "potential" flare.

The Asylum has a lower RG (2.50)( which is even lower than the Vivid RG (2.52)). While the Euphoria has a higher RG (2.55), which means the Asylum will rev up earlier.

The Euphoria then paired it's core with a weaker cover (The LNS Pearl coverstock), which is also polished. Which doesn't really give it a lot hook. It's better suited for the drys and mediums.

The Asylum on the other hand is using a stronger hybrid cover (the 63MH) and is using matte surface (3000 abralon), so it will read the friction earlier. So is suited for more oil.

So the Asylum is not going to be weaker then the Euphoria.

The Euphoria is a basically a Medium to Dry ball, while the Asylum would be more a Medium to Wet ball.

And I think with the right layout and if needed a surface change, it will handle more oil than the Euphoria ever will.

[Amyers]

Why do you think that the Asylum would be weaker than the Euphoria?

While the Euphoria does have a higher Diff. (.054) vs the Asylum's (.043), that still only gives them both about 6" of "potential" flare.

The Asylum has a lower RG (2.50)( which is even lower than the Vivid RG (2.52)). While the Euphoria has a higher RG (2.55), which means the Asylum will rev up earlier.

The Euphoria then paired it's core with a weaker cover (The LNS Pearl coverstock), which is also polished. Which doesn't really give it a lot hook. It's better suited for the drys and mediums.

The Asylum on the other hand is using a stronger hybrid cover (the 63MH) and is using matte surface (3000 abralon), so it will read the friction earlier. So is suited for more oil.

So the Asylum is not going to be weaker then the Euphoria.

The Euphoria is a basically a Medium to Dry ball, while the Asylum would be more a Medium to Wet ball.

And I think with the right layout and if needed a surface change, it will handle more oil than the Euphoria ever will.

Bowl1820 what exactly does flare mean? I've seen it on most balls some say 1-3 some more but I'm not sure what that corresponds too.