sandbagging

[MICHAEL]

@ Ice...I have 2 problems with your logic on handicap/scratch leagues...well, 3...

1) So it's unfair for a new bowler to win because they bowled a 178, and bowled 40 pins above their average...when their opponent has 30 years of bowling experience, a 205 average, and bowled a 182?? You as the 205 bowler would feel "proud" of your sub-par performance??

MAN UP BUD! NEW BOWLER, get real! YOU GOT BEAT! Get BETTER!!!


2) Scratch leagues don't exist...because every place that tries them gets very little interest. Why? Because of the well known and well established fact that bowler egos are out of control and these 200+ average bowlers don't WANT to lose. They don't want to play in scratch leagues or bowl in tournaments or on sport patterns because they're afraid...and their ego will not allow them to bowl a 153. So it is the HIGH average bowlers that keep handicap leagues dominant...not lower average bowlers.

MAN UP! GET BETTER, Work on personal goals, eventually you will get better,,,, maybe!


3) On the flip side...the obvious reason for handicap is without it you lose 2/3 of your bowlers. When I started out I had a 121 average. Nobody would want me on a scratch team. I have 3 bowlers on my team averaging around 110...new bowlers...I'd never have them on my team in a scratch league and they wouldn't want to play there anyways. I sympathize with you on this issue, but I'm trying to do my best to GROW the sport I love...and forcing new players to get obliterated for 3-4 years while they learn the game is NOT going to help.

I would like to have you on my team Aslan, I would make a MAN OUT OF YOU!! I don't like excuses, or under achievers, I make champions out of them! The 2/3 you lose, are losers anyway, who cares? Its called Darwinism!!! WEED out the WEEDS!! Who needs them!!


The real answer Ice...is DIVISIONS. The best tournaments (bowling) are the ones with divisions. I played in one back in February. That way, you're bowling against a group of people all at your skill level. THEN....scratch will work. People still will cheat..it happens in every sport I've played. It was horrible in Ice Hockey where guys that played juniors somehow manged their way onto a C-League team...and they had to create a "D-League" because too many "non-beginner teams" were playing in the "Beginner C-League". So it's not perfect...but divisions solve the problem of scratch/handicap and to a big extent sandbagging.

I agree, they will still cheat... PRISION TIME FOR them!!! 20 years, no chance for parole until 5 years severed!
I do like the idea of divisions, better then handicap....

I DON"T EVEN LIKE THE NAME handicap in regards to bowling, UNLESS YOU TRULY are! I have a lot more respect for a handicap bowler then I do a perfectly healthy bowler that just can't bowl worth a shirt, and wants a bunch of pins, never really working on his game!

I am sorry if I sound cruel,,, but I have been in completive sports my whole life, Football, Track, swimming, you name it! I never had to give anyone I competed against a head start in track,,, tackle with one hand in football, swim with out using one of my arms, just to level the playing field because I had faster times?????

I never at William Jewell College had a track runner come up to Ice, and say,,, " I am not going to run against you, UNLESS YOU give me a 10 yard head start????????

Why Bowling?? LOL

[Shaneshu87]

this is great i love all the hate! lol to be fair im not trying to defend the actions of the person i used to be, 6 years ago i was new to bowling, only because i could carry a 200+ and be drunk as a skunk doing it after 4 years of bowling in a drunken stupor and sandbagging the 3rd year in one league, i took 2 years off to sober up, which i have done, i have not had a drink in over a year. back in may this year i joined a sanctioned PBAE scratch league and i love it, however it is the only scratch league around my area. i can say i still do not like sandbaggers even though i was one, in one league, for half the season. would i do it again? if only to see the look on the a hole's, who've sandbagged every season, face when they got beat at their own game? heck yes i would! ICEMAN i agree with you, PONY UP! but there is a strategy in everything and sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. it worked, i'm not exactly proud of it, but just to beat those sandbaggers at their own game i'd do it again. the next time i face a team such as them, now that i have the practiced sober skill to bowl my best, that is exactly what i will do. for me this fall marks a new era in bowling! the drunken shane is dead, and the sober shane is deadly

[mike_thomas93]

I'm guessing that's what sandbagger means. Actually, I'd never heard or seen the word until i became a member on here. ;p And by the way my answer is no I've never done that. Since I don't drink ;p I'm one of the clean people lol

[rv driver]

this is great i love all the hate! lol to be fair im not trying to defend the actions of the person i used to be, 6 years ago i was new to bowling, only because i could carry a 200+ and be drunk as a skunk doing it after 4 years of bowling in a drunken stupor and sandbagging the 3rd year in one league, i took 2 years off to sober up, which i have done, i have not had a drink in over a year. back in may this year i joined a sanctioned PBAE scratch league and i love it, however it is the only scratch league around my area. i can say i still do not like sandbaggers even though i was one, in one league, for half the season. would i do it again? if only to see the look on the a hole's, who've sandbagged every season, face when they got beat at their own game? heck yes i would! ICEMAN i agree with you, PONY UP! but there is a strategy in everything and sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. it worked, i'm not exactly proud of it, but just to beat those sandbaggers at their own game i'd do it again. the next time i face a team such as them, now that i have the practiced sober skill to bowl my best, that is exactly what i will do. for me this fall marks a new era in bowling! the drunken shane is dead, and the sober shane is deadly

Some ball company should come out with a hard-hitting ball with a great hook called "The Drunken Sailor." Brawls like no other!

[Blacksox1]

Sandbagging is a form of cheating. Does Aslan like cheaters ? Does anyone ?

[rv driver]

Sandbagging is a form of cheating. Does Aslan like cheaters ? Does anyone ?

Winners don't cheat; cheaters don't win.

Lying sacks o' poop!