If knowledge is power, why........

[MICHAEL]

No, it was something rv driver said: "I'm not a coach, but I used to be a bowler with an average just shy of 210." A bowler with an average of 210, or 220, or 230, or 240, or whatever is not a coach. There is a different skill set involved in coaching than in bowling. If you want to learn to coach, go through the USBC Coaching Certification program. Contrary to popular belief, it's not just a matter of pay your money and get your certification. You actually have to learn something! Walter Ray Williams Jr., who has won more PBA titles than any other player in history EARNED his Silver Certification. The same can be said of Wendy Macpherson, Carolyn Dorin-Ballard (who is currently in charge of the USBC Coaching program), and many others including the late Tony Reyes, and Rhino Page who both attended the same Silver Certification class that I did. Even Mark Baker, with all of his fame and experience went through some of the certification program though I'm not sure how far (I just know that he was in the same Level I class that I was).

If you want to learn to coach, by all means, do it! There are far too few qualified bowling coaches out there, and, frankly, bowlers deserve to have us as a genuine resource to help them to learn this great game.

GOOD POINT ROB, ( I'm not a Coach but....)

Being a Coach and having all the incredible knowledge you have, why don't you have a 220 or higher average? I say this with all due respect!
Only reason I choose 220 plus, is that its a pretty darn hard target to hit for use non professional bowlers even on THS.

When you are shooting poorly, I would imagine you know exactly why, and how to correct it! I would imagine you know the right ball for certain lane conditions.

I know you have mentioned a few back problems! Is it Age, or injuries, on just not having that Gift WHAT keeps you from reaching that 220 plus average on house oil? Again, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, I just wonder if knowledge translates into higher scores, why wouldn't yours be at that level???

I wish I had 1/10 the knowledge you have,,,, I WOULD not have any reservations ridding my bike 1600 miles TAKING ON THE GREAT ALMIGHTY ASLAN in Vegas this coming August or early September!

Rob,,, Do you think ICEMAN has even a chance???

Where are his weaknesses, how can I exploit them? LOL

I thought this question might deserve a new thread:

Does Coaching translate into HIGHER SCORES (((( ALWAYS)))) Aslan being a prime example!

Aslan is a smart man, very well read in bowling, and even coached, but are there people who are just never going to be at that 220 level due to neurological, physical hand eye balance ect ect! Could it be as simple, in Aslan's case, that he is womanless, and lives in San Diego?

I am talking perfectly health people, WHO just don't seem to have that GIFT for the game? Do all your students make that 220 and above level??

I am sure some, maybe many have! But ,,, I bet a bunch never did, or will!

Don't you think what makes a great athletic is being born with the potential, and that coaching MAY or CAN then take them to their potential?

A GOOD Coach is defiantly a plus, Knowledge can be power, but only to a degree... YOU got to have that Gift!

[Hampe]

Lol....Iceman, the answer to your question is already in the post you qouted.....

"There is a different skill set involved in coaching than in bowling. "

And it's true....knowing the intricacies of HOW to do something is not the same as being able to do it yourself.

I think anybody that worked hard enough at it can get to 220+ average. Some people it will take much longer than others, maybe more time than they are able or willing to invest, but it should still be possible.

[mc_runner]

Think of it when you see someone struggling with timing on your team or something and it's clear as day they're doing something wrong. But then go up there and struggle yourself and it's a whole different ballgame with what goes through your head on how to fix it :P

[circlecity]

I believe it has been proven that with 10000 hours of practice on any subject you can master the art.

[MICHAEL]

Lol....Iceman, the answer to your question is already in the post you qouted.....

"There is a different skill set involved in coaching than in bowling. "

And it's true....knowing the intricacies of HOW to do something is not the same as being able to do it yourself.

In think anybody that worked hard enough at it can get to 220+ average. Some people it will take much longer than others, maybe more time than they are able or willing to invest, but it should still be possible.

You say anyone can (if they invest the time) LOL (,,,, I hope I live long enough for Aslan to make that level of excellence!

If he does, then I will become a believer!!! LOL

I do believe he works hard, and does the coaching thing,,, when is this going to HAPPEN???? lol

In Rob's case, why not him??? His knowledge should be able to compensate for just about any problem on the lane? I know Rob is not a spring chick, but neither is this old broken down injured Iron Worker! I envy Rob and his knowledge, and one of the reasons I am on this sight is to gain knowledge.

I seriously don't think many of us on here have the ability to reach that 220 plus much less 230 level on THS at all!!

I only know a hand full around here.

BACK to ((THE GIFT))) either have it, or you don't!

I know I wish I had it!!!!!

Hampe having watched you bowl, ( some of your tournament stuff), I do think you have that ability and will reach that 220 level for what its worth!
Keep at it my Canadian Friend! (

SOME have the potential! It's just a matter of development, and time. Others,,, well... LOL,,,, Forget-About-It.... and enjoy the sport, dream the dream,,, but don't let it get you down when it doesn't happen,,, you will have your MOMENTS, and that makes it all wroth it! I know I have had mine!! Moments that is.. LOL !

[MICHAEL]

I believe it has been proven that with 10000 hours of practice on any subject you can master the art.

ASLAN There is HOPE!!

[MICHAEL]

I believe it has been proven that with 10000 hours of practice on any subject you can master the art.

YES maybe any subject, but a SPORT is something entirely different! It goes beyond knowing, there is that physical mind body coordination thing that has to be there. The Gift! LOL I have heard from some people close to Aslan, that he can't walk and chew gum at the same time????

If this is true, ( and I am NOT saying it is!)

maybe he will have huge problems hitting that 200 level? I kid Aslan,,,, but I do like him!

He is ,,,,, Aslan!!!

Read 100 books on how to hit a baseball, practice 8 hours a day, 7 days a week! Then see if you can even hit 350 in the professional baseball leagues! Knowing is one thing, even practice, BUT being able to perform at a high level, to a huge degree depends on your GIFT!

[rv driver]

Self-coaching rarely (if ever) works, because part of the coaching process involves objectivity which we cannot, by definition, have with ourselves. People with natural ability progress faster, but not necessarily further. It depends a lot on how much concentrated time one is able to commit to practice and learning. The coach comes into the equation at this point (something my band director always, always said): Practice doesn't make perfect; perfect practice makes perfect. If you practice your mistakes, guess what? You learn your mistakes. A coach can point out what you're doing wrong, and help with how to do it the right way.

Sure, if anyone (given a good body and a good mind) spends 10,000 hours of prefect practice, one will master bowling. but how many of us have the time, resources, or perseverance to actually do that at a pace that will produce results?

[RobLV1]

There are three things involved in mastering bowling to the point of being able to average 220+: Physical ability, knowledge, and mental ability. In my own case, my physical ability is limited, as you point out by my age. I may not have been an iron worker, but starting at the ground and working my way up, I have two ankles where the ligaments were torn not once, but twice while playing basketball. I have two knees that are toast from being a catcher for a while in baseball. I have a back with two bulging discs, most probably from lugging bowling balls around for a whole bunch of years in association with 45+ years of playing golf. I have a messed up shoulder from becoming a pitcher after I figured out that playing catcher was a lot more effort than it was worth, and finally, arthritis in my neck from God-knows-what. It's a miracle that I can get out of bed in the morning, much less bowl an average of 150 games a month. Yes, I have the knowledge which is better served in helping other people given my tendency to over-think everything for myself which equates to my own total lack of a mental game which can quickly go South from over-thinking. As an example, after the first four games of the Senior U.S. Open this year I was in 20th place, tied with eventual winner Norm Duke, before totally flushing myself down the toilet for the rest of the tournament.

That being said, please feel free to include me in your little match when you come to Vegas. I'm all in!

[fortheloveofbowling]

Rob, What bowling center do you coach out of in vegas?