If knowledge is power, why........

[Aslan]

Obviously be stating the fact that should I bowl against Iceman in person, he'd likely lose…I have done what is on par with hitting a bee hive with a broomstick…but that aside…my only take on this repeated topic is…if it was all gift, then why do the pros practice 20+ games a week in between tournaments? I mean, they already have the "gift" right?

And, if practice IS necessary to maintain that gift…then perhaps instruction and research will also be essential to maintaining that gift? And please, no examples of Iceman's merry men of Missouri…it is clear their "gift" is only valid on a THS in Missouri since they refuse to test it elsewhere.

[Amyers]

The truth is it takes all three to be great. Natural talent, coaching and practice. Take any of the three out and you will be limited with what you accomplish

Natural talent without practice and coaching will either practice their flaws or never learn important aspects of the game.

Coaching and practice without talent the bowler will improve but their are limits to how good they will become some people just don't have the body type, flexibility, or hand eye coordination to be great. I may fit in this boat I'm not sure if with the limits of my knee and general poor balance if that won't limit my game but I do believe you can still be very good you won't know where that ceiling is without coaching and practice.

Coaching and talent without practice is wasted if your not out there working on your game it will never improve.

All of us start somewhere and end up somewhere these items determine where we start and where we end up. At the end of the day if your missing any of three your not giving your all to reach the top of your abilities.

[circlecity]

There is no such thing as a "gift." If it existed where does this gift come from if I might ask?

[fortheloveofbowling]

A gift could be defined as a natural ability and i'm sure you would get varying answers to that question.

[RobLV1]

Rob, What bowling center do you coach out of in vegas?

Anywhere my students want to meet. After growing up in L.A., nowhere in Vegas is far by comparison.

[rv driver]

YES maybe any subject, but a SPORT is something entirely different! It goes beyond knowing, there is that physical mind body coordination thing that has to be there. The Gift! LOL I have heard from some people close to Aslan, that he can't walk and chew gum at the same time????

If this is true, ( and I am NOT saying it is!)

maybe he will have huge problems hitting that 200 level? I kid Aslan,,,, but I do like him!

He is ,,,,, Aslan!!!

Read 100 books on how to hit a baseball, practice 8 hours a day, 7 days a week! Then see if you can even hit 350 in the professional baseball leagues! Knowing is one thing, even practice, BUT being able to perform at a high level, to a huge degree depends on your GIFT!

Any successful person will tell you that success is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration. Many people have wasted gifts through neglect. Many mediocre people have risen to the top through consistent practice.

[MICHAEL]

The truth is it takes all three to be great. Natural talent, coaching and practice. Take any of the three out and you will be limited with what you accomplish

Natural talent without practice and coaching will either practice their flaws or never learn important aspects of the game.

Coaching and practice without talent the bowler will improve but their are limits to how good they will become some people just don't have the body type, flexibility, or hand eye coordination to be great. I may fit in this boat I'm not sure if with the limits of my knee and general poor balance if that won't limit my game but I do believe you can still be very good you won't know where that ceiling is without coaching and practice.

Coaching and talent without practice is wasted if your not out there working on your game it will never improve.

All of us start somewhere and end up somewhere these items determine where we start and where we end up. At the end of the day if your missing any of three your not giving your all to reach the top of your abilities.

YEP!!! I agree! Two we have control over, one we don't,,, The Gift, ( talent might not be the right word, in that talent can be improved, IMHA, but the GIFT FOR ANY SPORT seems to be in our DNA!

[MICHAEL]

There is no such thing as a "gift." If it existed where does this gift come from if I might ask?

IT's in your DNA, and is determined to a huge degree at conception! Its that unique combination at CONCEPTION, that creates YOU!

The Word GIFT, that Iceman is using,,,,,,,, is,,,, or can be a CERTAIN arrangement of what went into making you,,,,, YOU, and not just like someone else.

Most all of us have a Gift it might be ,,,,, Art,,,, mechanical,,, running, Playing tennis, baseball, football, track bowling,,, ect ect.... its things that come EASY TO US!

It's a bio-mechanical thing that takes place at conception in my opinion. Some people have this metaphor, that Ice calls THE GIFT, and DON"T even know they have it.

My grandmother Pence, found out in her early 60's that she had HUGE amounts of Artistic Talent that she never knew she had!! She started painting and drawing at the late age of 63, and did some remarkable things, that I have in my house to this day!!

The Gift, almost everyone has it,,,,, Finding it is the TRICK!!!! Good luck !!

[MICHAEL]

Any successful person will tell you that success is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration. Many people have wasted gifts through neglect. Many mediocre people have risen to the top through consistent practice.

Successful people are not always, GIFTED! A LOT can be said for HARD WORK, and perspiration,, in the business world especially.

I DON NOT UNDERPLAY THAT hard work, and perspiration are keys to success, but if you DO have the gift,,, its soooooo much easier!!

And in some sports, without The Gift you will never achieve success on a high level, regardless of the amount of perspiration, and hard work you put in!!

Example: Track and Field, Swimming, Football, basketball, weight lifting, ect.

1. Track run a 9.9 100 yard dash..( not going to happen

2. Basketball dunk a ball.... ( not going to happen)

3. Bench press 400 lbs,,, ( not going to happen

4. Football, work out REAL HARD try to make it on any NFL team. ( not going to happen with the gift)

All of the above REQUIRE THE GIFT ! I could list many ,,,, MANY more instances.


OK,,, I am not knocking HARD WORK, COACHING, and PRACTICE AT ALL! These 3 things will maximize your POTENTIAL!!

I am just saying even with the above, The PBA bowlers you see on TV Like Walter Ray, and many others, HAVE A UNIQUE GIFT that most of use bowlers don't have!

[rv driver]

Successful people are not always, GIFTED! A LOT can be said for HARD WORK, and perspiration,, in the business world especially.

I DON NOT UNDERPLAY THAT hard work, and perspiration are keys to success, but if you DO have the gift,,, its soooooo much easier!!

And in some sports, without The Gift you will never achieve success on a high level, regardless of the amount of perspiration, and hard work you put in!!

Example: Track and Field, Swimming, Football, basketball, weight lifting, ect.

1. Track run a 9.9 100 yard dash..( not going to happen

2. Basketball dunk a ball.... ( not going to happen)

3. Bench press 400 lbs,,, ( not going to happen

4. Football, work out REAL HARD try to make it on any NFL team. ( not going to happen with the gift)

All of the above REQUIRE THE GIFT ! I could list many ,,,, MANY more instances.


OK,,, I am not knocking HARD WORK, COACHING, and PRACTICE AT ALL! These 3 things will maximize your POTENTIAL!!

I am just saying even with the above, The PBA bowlers you see on TV Like Walter Ray, and many others, HAVE A UNIQUE GIFT that most of use bowlers don't have!

Here's where we disagree. The "Gift" can either be innate, or it can be developed.