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    Projection of a bowling ball can be compared to a big league pitcher. The pitcher projects the ball out to the batter but after the ball leaves his hand his arm goes downward because it is attached to his shoulder. Because it is attached to the shoulder the arm will not keep going straight but go downward. So in bowling after the ball comes off of your hand the force of the swing from coming down after being up behind you will go up in front of you. So when you see pros bowl at release they are not hitting up on the ball. They just push the ball onto the lane when they uncup or uncock and after that the force of doing that makes their arm come up because it is attached to their shoulder and has nowhere else to go from that force. See my post from the Kegel training center on the proper release with a link showing pro releases. They
    are not hitting up on the ball even though you see their arms shoot up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer View Post
    Projection of a bowling ball can be compared to a big league pitcher. The pitcher projects the ball out to the batter but after the ball leaves his hand his arm goes downward because it is attached to his shoulder. Because it is attached to the shoulder the arm will not keep going straight but go downward. So in bowling after the ball comes off of your hand the force of the swing from coming down after being up behind you will go up in front of you. So when you see pros bowl at release they are not hitting up on the ball. They just push the ball onto the lane when they uncup or uncock and after that the force of doing that makes their arm come up because it is attached to their shoulder and has nowhere else to go from that force. See my post from the Kegel training center on the proper release with a link showing pro releases. They
    are not hitting up on the ball even though you see their arms shoot up.
    I think the same thing happens when you take a drink. Even though you're projecting the shot down your throat, your drinking hand will still shoot up, then slam the glass down on the bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rv driver View Post
    I think the same thing happens when you take a drink. Even though you're projecting the shot down your throat, your drinking hand will still shoot up, then slam the glass down on the bar.
    LOL, good one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksox1 View Post
    LOL, good one
    My drinking league average is 85 proof. I prefer my Scotch straight up the boards, but like my gin to arc neatly into the pocket. My tequila must make a hard turning hook and attack the pocket, kicking my pins out from under me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    Good post! Here are the absolute musts/fundamentals that I believe should be emphasized for bowlers on modern synthetic lanes using reactive resin balls:

    1. Timing: the bowler and the ball must arrive at the foul line at the same time.
    2. Balance: being able to post each shot guarantees good timing.
    3. Repitition: being able to throw the ball the same each time.
    4. Projection: being able to project the ball down the lane with minimal "lift," in other words following through in an outward direction rather than an upward direction.
    I think if thid id s bsre bones MUST list...it's really just #3.

    Timing? What about bowlers with intentional early or late timing? Some of the best have it. Balance? Fall to the right all ya want....if you can repeat your shots and score well...are we going to tell WRW to keep is sweep leg on the floor? And projection? I PERSONALLY think projection is important...but if it's "vital"...then sorry thumbless bowlers...you need to stop bowling. Sorry Mark Roth style crankers or old school strokers...you guys need to change.

    Bowling is simply a game of repeating shots that strike. Repitition. If your style is to jump in the air and spin around and walk towards the line like Fred Flinstone and let out a big fart as you release the ball....and you can manage a 279 average....and do that the same every time....#1, #2, #4 be damned. But #3 NEVER goes away.

    And, as for the definition of "projection"....TOTALLY disagree that projection is targeting further down lane. "Projection" is getting the ball out towards your target which (in addition to what Mike and Rob mentioned) is like a bullet in a rifle barrel vs a snub nose revolver. "Projecting" down lane tends to get the ball going toward the target, gets it out a little further before it's affected by lane conditions (like a bullet in a barrel). But...BUT....the idea that a bowler is better suited targeted a spot further away is FUNDAMENTALLY incorrect. One of the first things we learn (and still teach) in bowling is to NOT target the pins/pocket because a spot further away is harder to hit than one closer.

    So, in terms of ABSOLUTE truths...repeating your shot that works. Thats all, thats it, nothing more to see here.
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    your right targeting a spot closer is easier to hit, but you can hit the arrow every time and it could be in two or three different angles and affect your ball, so i feel like accuracy is a must, for me if you hit a mark down lane every time (one that is harder to hit) then you'll have more consistency for repetition. i don't aim at the pins, i aim at the reflection of the pins, where my typical break point IS, if i can hit that point every time i know exactly what my ball will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    I think if thid id s bsre bones MUST list...it's really just #3.

    Timing? What about bowlers with intentional early or late timing? Some of the best have it. Balance? Fall to the right all ya want....if you can repeat your shots and score well...are we going to tell WRW to keep is sweep leg on the floor? And projection? I PERSONALLY think projection is important...but if it's "vital"...then sorry thumbless bowlers...you need to stop bowling. Sorry Mark Roth style crankers or old school strokers...you guys need to change.

    Bowling is simply a game of repeating shots that strike. Repitition. If your style is to jump in the air and spin around and walk towards the line like Fred Flinstone and let out a big fart as you release the ball....and you can manage a 279 average....and do that the same every time....#1, #2, #4 be damned. But #3 NEVER goes away.

    And, as for the definition of "projection"....TOTALLY disagree that projection is targeting further down lane. "Projection" is getting the ball out towards your target which (in addition to what Mike and Rob mentioned) is like a bullet in a rifle barrel vs a snub nose revolver. "Projecting" down lane tends to get the ball going toward the target, gets it out a little further before it's affected by lane conditions (like a bullet in a barrel). But...BUT....the idea that a bowler is better suited targeted a spot further away is FUNDAMENTALLY incorrect. One of the first things we learn (and still teach) in bowling is to NOT target the pins/pocket because a spot further away is harder to hit than one closer.

    So, in terms of ABSOLUTE truths...repeating your shot that works. Thats all, thats it, nothing more to see here.
    The part about REPEATING SHOTS THAT STRIKE, is RIGHT on in my book! As I have ask MANY unorthodox bowlers, with styles of bowling that would give a Coach NIGHTMARES, "Where did they get their training,,, almost all replied, WHAT training? They were self taught, and many with that 220, or higher average.

    If you have a style that works, and your wining games, and tournaments, Don't Jack With It! I have seen guys ruined learning THE CORRECT Way to bowl, or even golf!

    For most, I am SURE coaching is a good thing! But some are GIFTED, and bowl well not knowing the correct way to project the ball...LOL

    I agree Aslan, if you have a system that works, don't fix it!!

    One thing I did notice about most of the unorthodox styles of bowlers,,,, they were consistent in their unique deliveries.

    Consistency alone is not the key, BUT if you have a unique style that gives you the big numbers, I bet you are consistent!

    If you are inconstant, and bowl poorly, you DO NEED A COACH probably. Dial 911... Rob!!,
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    I fit in that catagory too for awhile I was almost obsessed with fixing my timing and asking a few coiches around here for tips and they all told me to leave it alone my unorthadox timing is like taking 5 steps with a three step approach. My pushaway does not start till my third step and my fett are completly stopped with me still in the high point of my back swing. But as long as I am staying balanced I can make great shots over and over and aince I quit trying to fix my timing my average has jumped 15 pins and is over 200 and c imbing every week

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    i think practice needs to be added to the list, you can do anything but to be truly good/great you need to practice, doesn't matter your style

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaneshu87 View Post
    your right targeting a spot closer is easier to hit, but you can hit the arrow every time and it could be in two or three different angles and affect your ball, so i feel like accuracy is a must, for me if you hit a mark down lane every time (one that is harder to hit) then you'll have more consistency for repetition. i don't aim at the pins, i aim at the reflection of the pins, where my typical break point IS, if i can hit that point every time i know exactly what my ball will do.
    Where on the lane, the reflection appears is different for people of different heights, and as you walk towards the foul line, the reflection moves relative to the lane surface.

    Probably better to find some kind of marking on the lane near the reflection, then concentrate on the marking instead.

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