Brunswick/DV8 Still too rolly?

[RobLV1]

There are just two words that you need to hear to inspire confidence in Reax: MO PINEL!

[rv driver]

There are just two words that you need to hear to inspire confidence in Reax: MO PINEL!

Gotcha! ;-)

[MICHAEL]

Been messing with storm equipment since I broke apart from dv8 for the past year. All i can say i really enjoy storm equipment, they're just really skid/flippy/angular that works perfectly with my game. Saw the new ruckus and it looks really really impressive and thinking of giving dv8 another try. Is the brunswick line still "rolly" or is it being more versatile?

I have the Rukus, and its drilled pin down, but it does not do a long continuous curve to the pocket.... it looks a lot like my Storm balls, drilled pin up.

I really thought that the pin down would give me and earlier move, and more gradual arc to the pocket, but what I got was a pretty jumpy movement the last couple feet! Its a great ball but nothing like the Deadly Aim, which is drilled pin up and center. The Deadly Aim is for me a very nice curve to the pocket, resulting in better scores, and less ten pins!

10 pins are my friend Now, I rarely miss them with my new technique!! (

[larry mc]

exile is crazy skid flip

[RobLV1]

Michael: I've noticed on several of your posts now, that you seem to think that layouts do something magic. They don't. The only thing that a layout does is to determine the actual rg, differential, and axis migration path of a bowling ball. If you want a ball that rolls early and arcs, then buy a bowling ball that is designed to roll early and arc. I'm sure that you've heard the expression, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." The same goes for bowling balls. Layouts, like surface adjustments are used to tweak reactions. The ball does what it was designed to do; nothing more, and nothing less.

[Amyers]

Michael: I've noticed on several of your posts now, that you seem to think that layouts do something magic. They don't. The only thing that a layout does is to determine the actual rg, differential, and axis migration path of a bowling ball. If you want a ball that rolls early and arcs, then buy a bowling ball that is designed to roll early and arc. I'm sure that you've heard the expression, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." The same goes for bowling balls. Layouts, like surface adjustments are used to tweak reactions. The ball does what it was designed to do; nothing more, and nothing less.

Rob nailed it here. The purpose for the different layouts and surface adjustments is to help your ball fit in you arsenal of balls.

What you can do is take a somewhat similar ball and make it fit in your arsenal just behind or in front of another ball in your arsenal. If you said I need my ruckus to be a couple of boards weaker than your byte that you can do maybe even vise versus make the ruckus stronger than byte.

What you can't do is say here is this strong skid flip ball I want it to act like a arc type of ball. If you could do that with good results we would just all buy the same ball over and over and drill them up different.

Remember with drillings and surface adjustments your looking to accentuate what the ball does well, how it matches up with your game, and how it fits in your arsenal not to make the ball do what we want it too. That comes with selecting the right ball in the beginning.

[MICHAEL]

Rob nailed it here. The purpose for the different layouts and surface adjustments is to help your ball fit in you arsenal of balls.

What you can do is take a somewhat similar ball and make it fit in your arsenal just behind or in front of another ball in your arsenal. If you said I need my ruckus to be a couple of boards weaker than your byte that you can do maybe even vise versus make the ruckus stronger than byte.

What you can't do is say here is this strong skid flip ball I want it to act like a arc type of ball. If you could do that with good results we would just all buy the same ball over and over and drill them up different.

Remember with drillings and surface adjustments your looking to accentuate what the ball does well, how it matches up with your game, and how it fits in your arsenal not to make the ball do what we want it too. That comes with selecting the right ball in the beginning.

I guess the RG on that Storm Byte, (that I threw on Storm Demo Day, must have been PERFECT FOR ME and MY STYLE) Strike after strike playing the inside, a new area for me. The Byte I have now that is suppose to be as close to that one is not showing me the scores the DEMO ball did! I which I would have grabbed that ball and ran out the door!!!! LOL..... I tried to buy it but no go! It will never happen again. It was like a lover letting THAT SPECIAL one GET AWAY!! Might never happen again!!!! hummmm

Sure the Deadly Aim is one heck of a ball for Iceman, and his style, but THAT STORM BYTE, was a strike machine that day, on 4 different lanes!!

What ever RG adjustment it wound up with after drilling was PERFECT in my case!

Also I did not PICK that ball.... James did my driller.... I put myself in his hands and that's what he picked. ( In fairness to James, I told him I had x amount of money and wanted to stay with in that limit!

WHY did I put a limit on the amount,,,, I still to this day lay awake at night ,,,,,, WHY,,,,, WHY!!!!!

This has been a learning experience ..... thanks for the info Rob,,,,and Amyers.

[Amyers]

I guess the RG on that Storm Byte, (that I threw on Storm Demo Day, must have been PERFECT FOR ME and MY STYLE) Strike after strike playing the inside, a new area for me. The Byte I have now that is suppose to be as close to that one is not showing me the scores the DEMO ball did! I which I would have grabbed that ball and ran out the door!!!! LOL..... I tried to buy it but no go! It will never happen again. It was like a lover letting THAT SPECIAL one GET AWAY!! Might never happen again!!!! hummmm

Sure the Deadly Aim is one heck of a ball for Iceman, and his style, but THAT STORM BYTE, was a strike machine that day, on 4 different lanes!!

What ever RG adjustment it wound up with after drilling was PERFECT in my case!

Also I did not PICK that ball.... James did my driller.... I put myself in his hands and that's what he picked. ( In fairness to James, I told him I had x amount of money and wanted to stay with in that limit!

WHY did I put a limit on the amount,,,, I still to this day lay awake at night ,,,,,, WHY,,,,, WHY!!!!!

This has been a learning experience ..... thanks for the info Rob,,,,and Amyers.

Iceman no problem I will also say don't give up on that Byte. It wasn't any magical drilling or Rg or anything else that day it was one thing only throwing those strikes YOU!!!.

I have said it on here before I only have one ball in some ways that has been an advantage for me it's up to me to find a line that works on that day with how I'm throwing the ball.

I see a lot of guys come in to leagues with there three or four balls and if there not hitting on that first one they go to the next one and the next one and so on. You know what iceman when it's still the first game and there on their second ball I know I can relax I've already won even though they are probably a better bowler than me because they are looking at the equipment instead of themselves.

That Byte you threw on demo day isn't any different than the one in your six ball roller at least that would make any real difference on the lanes. Don't take this the wrong way because I like and respect you man but the difference between then and now are two places in your head and in needing to continue to practice those inside lines.

[RobLV1]

Michael: Was the Demo Day held on the same lanes where you bowl league, using the same oil pattern, at the same time of day, and after the same number of games when you normally bowl league? If not, then try to get it out of your head that there was something magic about that ball. For many years when people ask me what ball is my favorite, I have given the same reply: "Whatever is in my hand at the time that will carry the corner pins." It's not THE ball, it's how well A ball matches up to a particular lane condition.

[MICHAEL]

Iceman no problem I will also say don't give up on that Byte. It wasn't any magical drilling or Rg or anything else that day it was one thing only throwing those strikes YOU!!!.

I have said it on here before I only have one ball in some ways that has been an advantage for me it's up to me to find a line that works on that day with how I'm throwing the ball.

I see a lot of guys come in to leagues with there three or four balls and if there not hitting on that first one they go to the next one and the next one and so on. You know what iceman when it's still the first game and there on their second ball I know I can relax I've already won even though they are probably a better bowler than me because they are looking at the equipment instead of themselves.

That Byte you threw on demo day isn't any different than the one in your six ball roller at least that would make any real difference on the lanes. Don't take this the wrong way because I like and respect you man but the difference between then and now are two places in your head and in needing to continue to practice those inside lines.

REMEMBER,,, I Did throw EVERY ball STORM brought to the Demo day! I gave they all a fair amount of time....but,,, BUT THAT BYTE.... Well

MAGIC