Ruckus!! Needs help

[MICHAEL]

Asymmetric Layout 2 check this out at bowlingball.com this is what he gave me! I thought pin down was suppose to break early? It says with this layout a STRONG BACKEND!! (:?

[MICHAEL]

Since it was drilled with DV8's recommended layout for a strong backend, ( which for Storm would be pin up and kicked out to right of ring finger),,,
what can tame it down some on the back end, or is it a hopeless situation. I was wanting that strong arc! Maybe plugging it and redrilling?

[MICHAEL]

can a balance hole tame the beast,,, help take some of that SNAP at the end out of the ball?? Mine does not have a balance hole.

[Amyers]

Iceman that ball is skid flip by nature it's not going to matter if it is pin up pin down pin off too the right it's still going to be a skid flip ball. You might change how early it starts by a couple of feet or the total hook by a couple of boards but it's still going to be a skid flip ball. I will also say I don't put a lot of stock in drillings you will see more difference in cover stock changes than you do in drillings.

Most balls are available with pin up or pin down drillings they can be either way but the differences your going to see are going to change how the ball reacts significantly. You can't make skid flip balls arc you can't make low hooking balls hook monsters and you can't make low oil balls high oil balls. If you do try most of the time you end up with junk wasn't what the ball was meant to be.

The idea behind drillings and surface adjustments is to help the ball fit in your lineup of balls and to help it fit the lane conditions. Not to change the balls overall reaction. From what your talking about you would have been better off to get the marauder madness.

[rv driver]

Yes, aren't drillings more for subtle tweaking of the ball's overall reaction -- not to dictate that reaction?

[MICHAEL]

Iceman that ball is skid flip by nature it's not going to matter if it is pin up pin down pin off too the right it's still going to be a skid flip ball. You might change how early it starts by a couple of feet or the total hook by a couple of boards but it's still going to be a skid flip ball. I will also say I don't put a lot of stock in drillings you will see more difference in cover stock changes than you do in drillings.

Most balls are available with pin up or pin down drillings they can be either way but the differences your going to see are going to change how the ball reacts significantly. You can't make skid flip balls arc you can't make low hooking balls hook monsters and you can't make low oil balls high oil balls. If you do try most of the time you end up with junk wasn't what the ball was meant to be.

The idea behind drillings and surface adjustments is to help the ball fit in your lineup of balls and to help it fit the lane conditions. Not to change the balls overall reaction. From what your talking about you would have been better off to get the marauder madness.

I agree,,, I left the ball type up to James, ( the use-to-be-driller-of-mine). He went under, with his shop when AMF closed his lanes! Here is what came down: I said, ( I have X amount of money to spend, you pick the ball out, and IF I BOWL another 300 game, or 800, you get a ONE HUNDRED buck tip!)

So I did not pick the Ruckus,,, he did,,, I did tip him on the other two 300s,,,, but not 100 bucks...more like 50, as I remember!

Seeing the picture I posted, where would a balance hole be placed to control the flip at the end? If I don't polish, but give it the 500 surface will that cause it to burn up and thus take some of that snap off at the end?

[Amyers]

I agree,,, I left the ball type up to James, ( the use-to-be-driller-of-mine). He went under, with his shop when AMF closed his lanes! Here is what came down: I said, ( I have X amount of money to spend, you pick the ball out, and IF I BOWL another 300 game, or 800, you get a ONE HUNDRED buck tip!)

So I did not pick the Ruckus,,, he did,,, I did tip him on the other two 300s,,,, but not 100 bucks...more like 50, as I remember!

Seeing the picture I posted, where would a balance hole be placed to control the flip at the end? If I don't polish, but give it the 500 surface will that cause it to burn up and thus take some of that snap off at the end?

Ice I have never added a balance hole and when I've heard people talk about it it's to add hook but even if you remove some of the hook it's still going to go long just long and hook less. It's not going to give you the gradual arc you're looking for. As far as surface I'm not a fan of 500 surfaced balls I would try 1500 to 2000 no polish. See if that gives you a little more of what your looking for.

If I was you instead of trying to make this ball performed more like your deadly aim I would embrace what it does and try to get it to be a step down from the byte.

[bowl1820]

The Ruckus being a Asymmetrical ball you would use a P1 hole to weaken the reaction.
(A P1 is a hole 6 3/4" from the PSA on the VAL)

Dulling the surface can even out the reaction some also.

The best idea would be to switch to a different ball and not try to drill the guts of the ball.


Your layout appears to be DV8's "Big Crank" layout what you probably wanted was the one called "The Big Curve". It looks similar, but uses a smaller drilling angle which would let it transition into the hook phase sooner and a shorter pin to pap measurement to reduce the flare.

[Joker]

Think the best thing you can do is use this for your skid flip ball and possibly use another ball for arching

[MICHAEL]

Ice I have never added a balance hole and when I've heard people talk about it it's to add hook but even if you remove some of the hook it's still going to go long just long and hook less. It's not going to give you the gradual arc you're looking for. As far as surface I'm not a fan of 500 surfaced balls I would try 1500 to 2000 no polish. See if that gives you a little more of what your looking for.

If I was you instead of trying to make this ball performed more like your deadly aim I would embrace what it does and try to get it to be a step down from the byte.

The Ruckus being a Asymmetrical ball you would use a P1 hole to weaken the reaction.
(A P1 is a hole 6 3/4" from the PSA on the VAL)

Dulling the surface can even out the reaction some also.

The best idea would be to switch to a different ball and not try to drill the guts of the ball.


Your layout appears to be DV8's "Big Crank" layout what you probably wanted was the one called "The Big Curve". It looks similar, but uses a smaller drilling angle and a shorter pin to pap measurement.

Think the best thing you can do is use this for your skid flip ball and possibly use another ball for arching

Thanks some great advise from all 3 of you! Wait till I GET JAMES ON MY HOCKEY GAME!! I am going to kick his ASK AGAIN, like I did at the ICEMAN GAMER PARTY!! I have lots of go long and flip type balls!!

Lesson learned,,, never leave it to your driller, what ball HE thinks you need!! LOL ( I kid James,,, he's a great guy, and good young friend)!