Another ball advice thread....

[Amyers]

Can we all just please STOP this nonsense of developing love affairs with particular bowling balls? One loves the Hyper Cell with his particular style, on a particular lane conditions. Another loves the IQ Tour Fusion. Another loves the Totally Defiant. Ant yet another one loves the Melee Cross. Every bowler's style is different, and every lane condition is different. Why not just break down and learn about bowling balls, so you can decide for yourself? You'll save gobs of money!

But then what would we talk about? What would we blame for our poor performance?

[Amyers]

Can we all just please STOP this nonsense of developing love affairs with particular bowling balls? One loves the Hyper Cell with his particular style, on a particular lane conditions. Another loves the IQ Tour Fusion. Another loves the Totally Defiant. Ant yet another one loves the Melee Cross. Every bowler's style is different, and every lane condition is different. Why not just break down and learn about bowling balls, so you can decide for yourself? You'll save gobs of money!

I will also say this Rob I know there are all of these numbers can give us some direction Rg, differential, cover stocks. Does that mean that I know how a ball will roll for me from looking at them? No I can get an idea that this ball my roll longer/earlier than another can I really picture that in my head? No I can't. I'm learning from the balls I have about them and my guess will be as I buy a few more I will have a general idea of what does what for me.

Truth is you can get a general idea of strength\length from numbers and how they roll from watching others use it if they have a similar style. Does that mean you can really tell if it works for you. No not really there are two many variables to give an exact answer speed, revs, axis tilt, and conditions used on for exact answers

If you really want to know go buy it and drill it up but it can be interesting to talk about and see what others like and don't like. If your buying a particular ball because I like it or don't or anybody else on here's opinion then you're an idiot but maybe someone says something that makes you think about an aspect of the ball you have not considered.

[MICHAEL]

Can we all just please STOP this nonsense of developing love affairs with particular bowling balls? One loves the Hyper Cell with his particular style, on a particular lane conditions. Another loves the IQ Tour Fusion. Another loves the Totally Defiant. Ant yet another one loves the Melee Cross. Every bowler's style is different, and every lane condition is different. Why not just break down and learn about bowling balls, so you can decide for yourself? You'll save gobs of money!

EASY FOR YOU 2 SAY ROB!!!!! For some of us, the LOVE runs DEEP!! What's money,,, but a tool to buy happiness!!

[RobLV1]

I will also say this Rob I know there are all of these numbers can give us some direction Rg, differential, cover stocks. Does that mean that I know how a ball will roll for me from looking at them? No I can get an idea that this ball my roll longer/earlier than another can I really picture that in my head? No I can't. I'm learning from the balls I have about them and my guess will be as I buy a few more I will have a general idea of what does what for me.

Truth is you can get a general idea of strength\length from numbers and how they roll from watching others use it if they have a similar style. Does that mean you can really tell if it works for you. No not really there are two many variables to give an exact answer speed, revs, axis tilt, and conditions used on for exact answers

If you really want to know go buy it and drill it up but it can be interesting to talk about and see what others like and don't like. If your buying a particular ball because I like it or don't or anybody else on here's opinion then you're an idiot but maybe someone says something that makes you think about an aspect of the ball you have not considered.

There are only 4 elements that determine how a particular bowling ball will react: the core (rg and diff), the layout (changes the rg and diff), the cover material, and the surface. That's it. There is nothing else. Once you understand these four elements completely, you will always know what a particular ball will do before you buy it. The one element that is the hardest to understand is the cover material. We know about the core by the numbers, but the coefficient of friction in the dry and in the oil, as well as the oil absorption rate is not shared with us. The best thing that we can go by is the price point, more expensive means more reactive, and the reputation of the manufacturer (ie., Storm balls are snappier, and Brunswick balls are rollier). The good news is that the surface will greatly influence how the cover material reacts, and the surface is totally up to us (once we figure out that there is nothing sacred about the OOB finish).

[Amyers]

There are only 4 elements that determine how a particular bowling ball will react: the core (rg and diff), the layout (changes the rg and diff), the cover material, and the surface. That's it. There is nothing else. Once you understand these four elements completely, you will always know what a particular ball will do before you buy it. The one element that is the hardest to understand is the cover material. We know about the core by the numbers, but the coefficient of friction in the dry and in the oil, as well as the oil absorption rate is not shared with us. The best thing that we can go by is the price point, more expensive means more reactive, and the reputation of the manufacturer (ie., Storm balls are snappier, and Brunswick balls are rollier). The good news is that the surface will greatly influence how the cover material reacts, and the surface is totally up to us (once we figure out that there is nothing sacred about the OOB finish).

You nailed it there we can look at core numbers but if we haven't thrown that combination of core numbers and cover material your just generalizing about what the ball will do. I'm not saying you need to go out and get 14 balls (Aslan) or 18 balls (Iceman) after a while a ball is a ball no matter what colors or crazy name they put on it. I'm not even going to get started on drilling I haven't tried enough different drillings yet to comment on that but I do see some guys who got layouts they thought were going to do one thing and with their release, style, or axis tilt it did something else.

Under your 4 elements though you missed a big part there the Bowler. Your particular style of bowling will effect how the ball performs otherwise it would be easy to watch a couple of videos and say that's what I want and go get it. Truth is most of those videos are worthless to the average bowler because they are being made by bowlers who throw 18 or 19 mph with 400-450 revs and shot on a particular condition that may not be similar at all to what we play on.

I really don't like pigeon holing the manufactures either. There is nothing rolly about the exile of yours is there? I don't see anything skid/snap about the hyroad solid.

I do agree if your only taking advice from people over the internet who have never seen you bowl about your balls then your screwing up but if one person takes an element of the conversation and thinks just a little more before purchasing there next ball then its not a waste of time.

[historian]

Who do I think I'm kidding, I want 'em all. I'll just keep buying new ones until I find one I am momentarily satisfied with.

[rv driver]

Who do I think I'm kidding, I want 'em all. I'll just keep buying new ones until I find one I am momentarily satisfied with.

Which is what the manufacturers want you to do...