Arm swing help

[Amyers]

Okay, two things:

1. More often than not a muscled armswing is the result of late timing. When your foot gets to the foul line in front of the ball, the tendency is to pull the ball forward to help it to catch up. How do you do that? By muscling the ball. Have someone check your timing. The slide foot and the ball should reach the foul line at the same time.

2. Keeping a firm wrist is very old school. Watch virtually all of the top pros today and you will see the wrist start loaded (cupped), unload at the top of the back swing, and reload at the point of release. Check out some video of Michael Fagan to see what I'm talking about.

In this release scenario why do they start with the cup? if you are just uncupping it at the top of the back swing what does it accomplish?

[RobLV1]

I really don't know. The only one that I know who doesn't start cupped is Team USA Bowler David Haynes. He starts unloaded, and doesn't load until the release point.

[Amyers]

I really don't know. The only one that I know who doesn't start cupped is Team USA Bowler David Haynes. He starts unloaded, and doesn't load until the release point.

Wow I found a question Rob doesn't know the answer too. I do wonder why I can't really see what difference it would make if your releasing it at the top of the swing

[RobLV1]

Does anyone release at the top of the backswing? I don't think so. I said that he doesn't load until the release point. That would be at the bottom of the downswing.

[Amyers]

Does anyone release at the top of the backswing? I don't think so. I said that he doesn't load until the release point. That would be at the bottom of the downswing.

I was referring to releasing the cup at the top of the backswing not the ball. That would make it difficult too bowl. 😏

[RobLV1]

What are you talking about? Most contemporary bowlers load initially, unload at the top of the backswing, and reload at the release point. All I said was that David Haynes starts unloaded, remains unloaded, and loads just before the release point. Did I say it wrong?

[bowl1820]

2. Keeping a firm wrist is very old school. Watch virtually all of the top pros today and you will see the wrist start loaded (cupped), unload at the top of the back swing, and reload at the point of release.Check out some video of Michael Fagan to see what I'm talking about.

This doesn't quite sound right. "Reload at the point of release"? Most everything I see say's you unload at the point of release.

If your loaded (meaning cupped) through the release you run the risk of tugging, lofting and it's a lot stress on the wrist.

If your unloaded at the top of the backswing, you would load (cup) on the down swing then unload at the release.

the oft mentioned analysis of a modern release video has a section showing them cupped in the down swing and uncupping at the release.

Check out some video of Michael Fagan to see what I'm talking about

heres a article about fagan w/pics.

http://www.billspigner.com/pdf/0810_Bill_BJI.pdf

excerpt:
"On the downswing, when he starts loading up his wrist and elbow to dig under the ball"

[Hammer]

I've seen videos of pro bowlers start out with a straight wrist and when they get to the top of their backswing their palm is facing outward to
the right and when they start to come down to the release point they start loading up by either cupping or cocking their wrist. At the release
point the thumb comes out quickly and then they uncup or uncock which gives them good revs. I cup before the release point so I have to practice uncupping at the release point. When I get it right the ball really has some action when it hits the dry.

[RobLV1]

Most people describe the modern release as being similar to using a yo-yo. You start with the wrist cupped as you being the yo-yo's descent, it is uncupped as the yo-yo reaches the bottom of its descent, and and it is recupped as the yo-yo comes back up. The wrist has to reload at the point of release to get the revs on the ball. I think we may have a semantic problem using the words "point of release." The point of release is after the thumb has exited, but before the fingers have exited. Does that make more sense?

[bowl1820]

Most people describe the modern release as being similar to using a yo-yo. You start with the wrist cupped as you being the yo-yo's descent, it is uncupped as the yo-yo reaches the bottom of its descent, and and it is recupped as the yo-yo comes back up. The wrist has to reload at the point of release to get the revs on the ball. I think we may have a semantic problem using the words "point of release." The point of release is after the thumb has exited, but before the fingers have exited. Does that make more sense?

Yes I understand where your going.

what your saying is after you have uncupped (Which you have to, to get your thumb out of the ball cleanly) and your thumb is out of the ball. You cup up (reload) your hand to basically roll the ball off your fingers adding rev's.

I think the confusion has to do with the wording of the descriptions.

Like I think a lot of people would think of the "point of release" as the point where your going to release the ball.

Not the point after they have released the ball where the thumb has exited, but before the fingers have exited.