Arm swing help

[Amyers]

What are you talking about? Most contemporary bowlers load initially, unload at the top of the backswing, and reload at the release point. All I said was that David Haynes starts unloaded, remains unloaded, and loads just before the release point. Did I say it wrong?

My question was what is the purpose of the initial load what does the unload at the top of the backswing accomplish? Why not start unloaded as Mr. Haynes does as you mentioned?

[Amyers]

Yes I understand where your going.

what your saying is after you have uncupped (Which you have to, to get your thumb out of the ball cleanly) and your thumb is out of the ball. You cup up (reload) your hand to basically flip the ball off your fingers adding rev's.

I think the confusion has to do with the wording of the descriptions.

Like I think a lot of people would think of the "point of release" as the point where your going to release the ball.

Not the point after they have released the ball where the thumb has exited, but before the fingers have exited.

I am not so sure here is a link to a recent article in bowling this month where he refers to recupping the wrist at the point of release to help get the thumb out of the ball.

http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/?ema...=subscriptions

This confused the devil out of me. Also if it is as you think Rob is saying what is the difference between that and what we used to call "hitting up on the ball" that I didn't think you were supposed to do anymore.

[bowl1820]

This confused the devil out of me. Also if it is as you think Rob is saying what is the difference between that and what we used to call "hitting up on the ball" that I didn't think you were supposed to do anymore.

I may not have worded it well myself. I changed "Flip" to "Roll" in it now.

because that "hitting up on the ball" thing had dawned me after writing it. Though "hitting up” as Rob said in that article is releasing the ball in an upward direction instead of out on the lane.

The flipping the ball with the fingers as I meant it isn't that.

I still kinda of think the " reloaded" at point of release wording isn't quite right (I don't know how I would word it though).

(And I don't see that being used in that article either. But I have those issue and I'll go back and reread them)


As another thought there are articles and discussion's that think the cupping isn't needed.

That just a firm or slightly cupped wrist is needed and it's the cocking and uncocking of the wrist that is important.

[Amyers]

I may not have worded it well myself. I changed "Flip" to "Roll" in it now.

because that "hitting up on the ball" thing had dawned me after writing it. Though "hitting up” as Rob said in that article is releasing the ball in an upward direction instead of out on the lane.

The flipping the ball with the fingers as I meant it isn't that.

I still kinda of think the " reloaded" at point of release wording isn't quite right (I don't know how I would word it though).

(And I don't see that being used in that article either. But I have those issue and I'll go back and reread them)


As another thought there are articles and discussion's that think the cupping isn't needed.

That just a firm or slightly cupped wrist is needed and it's the cocking and uncocking of the wrist that is important.

This is the most confusing thing in bowling in my opinion. I don't know if the terminology changes between one author or person making a video or if there really are this many different versions of the release. I suspect the latter and the important thing maybe do what works for you.

I've experimented with quite a few different things since coming back to this great game. Currently I'm using a little cup and trying to keep my the ball on my index finger with a little bit of cock towards the left and it's been working for me. I experimented with the full cup and cock but when I did I got to inconsistent with it one shot wouldn't really hook the next one I would send the ball straight sideways as soon as it hit the dry.

I really don't know if I break my wrist at release or not I do know if I'm gripping now I can feel my thumb not come out cleanly. I'm going to try and get some video of my actual release to see exactly what happens there but haven't done it most of the video I have is to far away to get a good look. Might be interesting to try and some of the cup back after the thumb comes out but one I'm really not sure that I need the extra revs or that I have enough feeling and timing with it yet to do it consistently.

[bowl1820]

This is the most confusing thing in bowling in my opinion. I don't know if the terminology changes between one author or person making a video or if there really are this many different versions of the release. I suspect the latter and the important thing maybe do what works for you.

I have felt for long time that terminology is a problem. A lot of time's it has to do with trying to describe thing's you just can't really describe in words (at least not accurately).

back to this great game. Currently I'm using a little cup and trying to keep my the ball on my index finger with a little bit of cock towards the left and it's been working for me.

That's basically me, Now I use a adjustable brace. I have it set for a firm wrist / slight cup, a little cock to the left.

Now using the brace I can't uncup my wrist, I maybe sacrificing somethings using it but I'm okay with that. because of the consistency it provides having a set hand position.

[Amyers]

I have felt for long time that terminology is a problem. A lot of time's it has to do with trying to describe thing's you just can't really describe in words (at least not accurately).



That's basically me, Now I use a adjustable brace. I have it set for a firm wrist / slight cup, a little cock to the left.

Now using the brace I can't uncup my wrist, I maybe sacrificing somethings using it but I'm okay with that. because of the consistency it provides having a set hand position.

My wife has been looking for a wrist brace as she suffers from carpel tunnel and lacks the strength she needs to properly perform a cupped release. Any suggestions from someone who uses one. I've never tried one.

[RobLV1]

Welcome to the wonderful world of writing! I can't begin to tell you how many times that I have written a 2500 word article, reworked it several times, sometimes totally scraped it and started over, still to have a few people totally miss what I was trying to say. Whoever said that a picture is worth a thousand words was oh so right. This gets to the heart of coaching as well. Sometimes you have to say the same thing in several different ways until you finally come up with the words that the student understands.

As to a wrist brace, I sometimes use the "Lifter" from Mongoose which is, I just found out, approved once again for use in PBA events. Don't even ask about the "Lifter" reference! LOL

[bowl1820]

My wife has been looking for a wrist brace as she suffers from carpel tunnel and lacks the strength she needs to properly perform a cupped release. Any suggestions from someone who uses one. I've never tried one.

I don't want to hijack the thread with talk of braces.
Here's a link to several threads talking about them.
http://www.bowlingboards.com/search.php?searchid=271686

But if she has carpel, I've seen people wear actual carpel tunnel braces bowling. If she has one it would work, she won't be cupping much.

There are several good ones the Mongoose is a popular one.

I use a Moro Pro Release Extend Ver. it's a more expensive brace.