thanks for all your help Bowl1820, i am drilling my grape vibe tuesday, my ring finger is actually shorter than my middle finger but not by very much the span was not to drastic of a change. i always wondered how smallwood managed to get his revs up so high using the Sarge when everyone else i know complains about it. now that i think about it these are the older gentlemen that have been bowling their whole life and dont need to practice... so this may be why their revs have not come back up.