Yes, but if he adds some surface to the Optimus, this will make the ball roll even sooner. I know when I tried to add surface to mine (no shine) the ball rolled out and had nothing for the backend. All methods don't work for everyone.
It seems like you are only looking at the cover material and surfaces of your bowling balls and totally ignoring the core characteristics. The HyRoad has an rg of 2.57 and a differential of 0.046. The Optimus has an rg of 2.48 and a differential of 0.048. While the differentials are very close, the 2.57 rg of the HyRoad results in the ball saving much more energy for the pins than the earlier rolling Optimus at 2.48. If you don't mind a suggestion, you might want to try to add a little surface to the Optimus and add a little polish to the HyRoad and try reversing the order that you use them. I think you will be much happier with the result.Originally Posted by Blomer
Yes, but if he adds some surface to the Optimus, this will make the ball roll even sooner. I know when I tried to add surface to mine (no shine) the ball rolled out and had nothing for the backend. All methods don't work for everyone.
You're missing the point. I'm suggesting adding surface to the Optimus so it will roll sooner so that he can use it first on the fresh, switching to the HyRoad as the lanes start to dry out. As it is, the two balls that he is using are working at crossed purposes: the early rolling core in the Optimus with the polished cover, and the go-long core in the HyRoad with the dull surface. These inconsistencies bring the balls too close together in my opinion, sacrificing each balls potential to add to its usefullness.
No, I understood your point and was just making an observation since I have an Optimus and have experimented with surface changes--I completely understand how a low RG works. MY point was, what works for one may not work for another. Blomer has a system that is working for him.
I don't see anything in his posts that say that his "system" is working for him. I only see that he usually throws the HyRoad and "towards the end may go to the Optimus." I'm only trying to help him to understand the componants of bowling balls so that he can understand why his "system" works, or perhaps, why it doesn't. Personally I don't see a "system," I only see a preconception based on faulty logic (ie., surface is everything).
By "system" I was meaning Blomer's choice and what works for him. We have discussed this due to the fact we both throw the same ball. Not everyone has the same style or techniques. I am merely trying to help Blomer and he will find a method best for him. Don't read too much into the word, "system"
Rob if he did this for all intents and purposes he has a Marvel S (Optimus with surface) and a Hyroad Pearl (Hyroad solid with polish). Is that really that much better than the Optimus-Hyroad solid combo. I've seen some Optimus's thrown although I haven't seen anyone using the Hyroad Solid yet (not many people throw solids on my home lanes) I do see lots of Hyroads and Hyroad Pearls. I do think that he really has two different balls that are more suited to being first out of the bag (with different looks). I really believe rather than altering the balls he should look at purchasing a different step down piece such as a Hyroad pearl or Punch Out
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Sorry, but the word "system" implies some kind of logic. I differs from a routine which may or may not work for him. As I said, I'm just trying to help him to understand more about bowling balls so that, at some point, he can develop a system rather than a routine.
We are right back to ignoring core characteristics and focusing totally on cover. Why would a HyRoad Pearl possibly be considered a "step down piece" from a HyRoad Solid when they both have the same core. The only difference between the two balls is the cover material (same material, one solid and one pearl), and the surface? In terms of the Punchout, it actually has a lower rg than the HyRoad Solid (2.55 vs. 2.57). It does have a lower differential, and a pearl cover. Again, the main difference is surface. If you want to develop an arsenal, the low rg should be the first thing that you look at to make sure that you have a base of balls that you can make surface alterations to cover the widest possible range of potential lane conditions. My own arsenal, for example currently consists of four balls: an asymmetric solid with a low rg of 2.488, a symmetric solid with a low rg of 2.489, a symmetric hybrid with a low rg of 2.536, and a symmetric solid with a low rg of 2.56. All four balls take well to surface changes which I will often make, depending on where I am going to bowl. Setting up a system based on the low rg, prevents a bowler from accidentally ending up with two balls that are brought too close together by conflicting core/cover combinations.
Good luck with the Hy-Road Blomer! Keep doing what you're doing and let us know if you try a surface change. Also keep us posted on how the Optimus works in there. Hope you shoot great buddy!!
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