I am sure you will be missed by all.Originally Posted by Mike White
Due to the timing of Vegas Sweepers, I won't be able to attend your "get a woody" event.
I am sure you will be missed by all.
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Is that sarcasm? I seriously can't tell.
It was about 8 layers thick of sarcasm.
Ok, thanks. I figured.
The Truth is out There...
I heard from a VERY reliable source, who will remain secret, he was: "Down right Scared shirtless to bowl on the wood, with the mop application, like in the REAL OLD DAYS!"
All that talk about how FRICKEN EASY it is now,, da,,da,,, da,,, yawn,,,,!Fact is he is
Like the little boy Mike White in the video,,, throwing the karate blows with his arms and legs, at the chicken,,,( who is the real Chicken),,, lol
I think the video tells the story! YES MIKE,,, I don't blame you for not making the trip, bowling on a pair of mopped lanes would be humiliating for you!
You talk the TALK about The old days,,, but in secret FEAR them like the Chicken that almost got you when you were a young farm boy!!
Side Note: ( thanks to the family member that sent the video of Mike vs the Chicken), to Iceman!
Last edited by MICHAEL; 12-05-2014 at 01:34 PM.
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ICEGOD's Scores on Wood last night
Wood, without a doubt is much more challenging then synthetic! Have brought some high rollers up to Plattsburg and they also struggled a bunch!
They change the pattern almost every week, some form of the THS, but different lengths, and styles. White, Blue and Red!
These Farm Boys are not cry babies complaining about the oil not being "BLOCKED PERFECT" each week, like many synthetic types I have bowled with!
These Farm boys, I have the honor to bowl with want, and live for a CHALLAGNE... its in their BLOOL LINE!
No Cry Babies in Plattsburg Missouri bowling!
Had a high series for these tough lanes last night on league, 222, 167, and final game of 212. 601 left a solid hit 8 pin first shot of the 10 frame, 3rd game was hoping for a 233! Middle game started losing carry,,, to slow to adjust, but did work it out in the 3rd game. Used the Dealdly Aim, the whole series.
JUST MADE it, 601 lol
ON a positive side note: DID NOT MISS ONE TEN PIN!!! Thanks Norm Duke for your great advise!!!
Yes Mike White, I don't blame you for chickening out,,, old time bowing on mopped lanes ,,,,,well,,,,,,,lets just say it takes a REAL MAN!!! Go bowl your synthetic THS, blocked pattern!
Farm boys would eat your dinner, on them there wood, mopped lanes!
Last edited by MICHAEL; 12-05-2014 at 04:09 PM.
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Wait...what? Were those sentences supposed to go together or was there a cutting/pasting error.
Usually, "tough lanes" is followed by "I rolled really well but only bowled a 'insert low score'". Or, "the lanes seemed easy and I bowled a 'insert high score'!"
But Icegod's post didn't make sense. Somehow there are farmers and a mop...I get that. And Ice likes that one (and only one) PBAer uses his same method of spare shooting. I'm sure the other 99.6% of the PBA is just unaware or maybe Norm has some type of trademark in place.
But I don't understand how if the conditions are so TOUGH...how ICEMAN scored HIGH!???
Ice...what ya have to understand about wood/high friction/dry lanes....is that when "high rollers" struggle...it's simply that they aren't used to it. The same way high rollers USED TO high friction struggle with wetter/slicker conditions. Mr. White is a perfect example of this as is the old pro at the old wood center I bowled at.
MWhite needs LESS friction because he has a high rev rate. He can't use weaker equipment...he's already throwing a "Mix" and a plastic ball. My old pro...he threw more high loft/speed dominant. So he needed MORE friction so his ball would actually move. And he was already throwing fairly strong equipment...and chasing stronger equipment is tough because the ball may tend to hook sooner or "roll out" rather than hook "more".
Are you following thus far?
So yes, on beat up wood lanes...just before they got tore out...I beat Mr. White. But I NEVER beat my old pro...not on wood lanes. But, in Vegas...Mike beat BOTH of us! And my old pro in Vegas...we both bowled in the 130s and I think I bowled a couple pins better that game.
So does that mean Mike and the pro and me and, I guess you (since Mike beat you in Vegas) are equally bad? Or equally good?
Mike crushes me in the sport league every week. But...I usually can take a game...near the end...when the lanes break down. Suddenly Mike's ball starts to move too much or too unpredicatbly...and suddenly my ball starts to take a better turn/angle into the pocket.
Does that make me better than Mike? I doubt it. I think he averages 180 in that league and I'm struggling to break 150. It 'just' means that in bowling...everyone is vulnerable...when their ideal game changes. The Pros (PBA) can adapt. But even they each have certain patterns they do better on than others.
It's why I framed the Virtual Bowling Tour Part I the way I did:
1) -10-pin deduction for home center
2) random bowling center assignments
Do you know how long that lasted? < 1 month and nearly everyone threatened to quit if they couldn't pick their own centers. And it WASN'T about distance or gas prices or time or safety or crime or any of the 30+ excuses I heard. It was SIMPLY...bowlers have fragile egos...and they HATE when they go into a center and bowl badly. Mike purposely picked centers just to AVOID a physical pairing...not because he was intimidated or anti-social...he just wanted COMPLETE control over the lane conditions.
THE AVI Challenge was in Vegas. I STATED BEFOREHAND...that Rob M. would have an advantage because he's bowled those lanes. Mudpuppy and Iceman and MWhite may have a higher average...and Mudpuppy and I may be younger...but that was HIS HOME TURF. And who won? Rob. In spectacular and awesome and inspiring fashion. And I'm not trying to take away from that. But I BEAT MWHite (bad) on my home wood lanes. Rob beat all of us on his home lanes.
Homefield advantage in bowling is HUGE. You lost in Vegas...now you want a separate tournament/Challenge/Tournament on YOUR home lanes. I don't blame ya! And is Mike "afraid"? Maybe. Maybe a little. He sure didn't do well last time he took that challenge. I'd say he's more apprehensive about the 9-hour drive there and back and having to close his business for a week. I'd LOVE to go. I'll never turn down bowling...bad bowling beats anything else I could be doing. But $1000? Ughhhhh....I'm not a "no"...but ughhh....
I think at this point...I'm more interested in where the AVI Challenge II is going to be. Rob M. won...and to the victor...goes the spoils. The venue for AVI Challenge II...is up to him. I'm sure he'll pick an alley in Vegas (Red Rock was nice!!!...but Iceman almost fell and died there...so not sure if he'll go back...but man, that was a NICE place!! We need to get some sponsors...get that "private lane action") but thats okay. Ya want it in Detroit or Kansas City or Riverside or Anaheim...next time BEAT ROB!!!
I think I rambled a bit there....but at this point thats really all this thread is...
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Well I sort of feel accomplished, typically I tend to steer away from posts that involve ICEGOD and AsLan when the involve any of the following topics: Slightly "outdated"/undrilled equipment, wood lanes, 2 handed bowling, the Deadly Aim, Fruit, Godliness, and a host of other topics, but I decided to grind through the 11 pages of posts to hear about this Lumberjack open (rather than work for the rest of this Friday).
I am happy to see that there is still an interest in bowling on the old school condition and I am sad that I can't make it, but that may make my opinion on the oil conditions a little better since I have no stake in this fight.
1. Pairs probably should have the same pattern, giving individual lanes different patterns may take away from the event - there should be enough challenge with the lanes that each frame should not need an intentionally different shot (obviously mop and/or spray bottle application would achieve difference to a degree).
2. For the experience aspect different patterns may be nice, short oil (where you could also limit equipment usage to plastic/rubber or some similar restriction to make it even more like the good ole days), a THS (so that you can see the difficulty and shot different from synthetic), and a flat pattern (which is typically one of the most difficult "fair" patterns).
One post, I do one little post to this ICEMAN open thread and what happens, I now get advertisements in the advertising section of this fine website for the ice network - live figure skating and live speed skating...ICE ...network. When I get the upload tool to work on here I can show my proof since I took a screenshot, but come on...figure skating, the ice has become too strong.
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