What am I missing?

[fortheloveofbowling]

OH GOD. First my wife and now rob. Is it really possible i am never right???

[ALazySavage]

Getting back on topic (in a sense). Axslinger, I'm assuming you were talking about bowling at Rim Country Lanes versus bowling at AMF Tempe. Now, I could be incorrect since I haven't been bowling regularly at AMF Tempe for a while but this is what I do know about the two houses.

Rim Country re-opened in 2011 and did a fair amount of remodeling; while the pinsetters and some of the other equipment may not show it (ball returns, etc.) I believe these are newer lanes. A few things I can say about my bowling and Rim Country...historically the biggest difficulty I have is getting the ball through the front of the lane cleanly (rolling too early and burning up energy) - I had very little problem with this at Rim Country. Second, the manager at Rim Country throws a lot of ball from what I remember - their typical house shot/local tournament shot probably caters to this (heavier volume, more length).

AMF Tempe has been around for a long time and I think I was a junior the last time they resurfaced/replaced the lanes. Like many AMF houses they struggled financially, but I'm going to tell you they really struggled for a while with league bowling so I doubt they put new lane beds in since I bowled there (wouldn't make financial sense). So you are going to have a worn down AMF synthetic lane which can be much softer than what you saw in Payson (causing the ball to roll earlier and burn out as others have said). Obviously there are exceptions to this, but historically the deep inside line at AMF is the shot that posts scores because so many players play up the track (10 board area) that they burn the shot out early.

[Mike White]

O.K., Mike anything you say.

You recently said.

What is the "gift" of coaching? It is the ability to "see." ...

If you looked as Tom Baker and thought he was a full roller, then you don't have the ability to see, and therefore must not have the "gift".

[RobLV1]

When I referred to Tom Baker as a full-roller, I was remembering that someone who had bowled with Tom Baker on numerous occasions had told me that he threw a full-roller. Mike, why is it that you feel such a need to prove me wrong? Do you think it makes you a bigger man? It doesn't. It just makes you look petty and small. Please let it go. I promise I won't beat you next time.

[MICHAEL]

When I referred to Tom Baker as a full-roller, I was remembering that someone who had bowled with Tom Baker on numerous occasions had told me that he threw a full-roller. Mike, why is it that you feel such a need to prove me wrong? Do you think it makes you a bigger man? It doesn't. It just makes you look petty and small. Please let it go. I promise I won't beat you next time.

Even Iceman's dog had to smile when reading that Rob,,, but can you beat him on WOOD!!!!!????

[Aslan]

Just put em both in a paper bag....shake it up....and watch the show!

In my humble opinion...knowing both folks and having met them personally...it's two good guys that each have a LOT of information...and neither have a good grasp on the concept of sometimes not knowing EVERYTHING.

I can speak from experience....but I am trying really hard...when I get that urge to prove I'm right at all costs...to just chilllllllll. Since moving to California...I'm doing a much better job of just not getting bent out of shape about every little thing. I'm just getting too old for it all. I live far too close to the beach to spend 46 hours bent out of shape about anything really. It's far easier to just peruse this thread and say to myself....

A) What the hell is a "full roller"?
B) Why do I care?
C) Who is Tom Baker? I've heard of Tom Smallwood...probably not the same guy.
D) How many M&Ms is the most M&Ms anyone has ever eaten in one sitting?
E) When is lunch? Cuz I kinda gotta pee.

[Mike White]

When I referred to Tom Baker as a full-roller, I was remembering that someone who had bowled with Tom Baker on numerous occasions had told me that he threw a full-roller. Mike, why is it that you feel such a need to prove me wrong? Do you think it makes you a bigger man? It doesn't. It just makes you look petty and small. Please let it go. I promise I won't beat you next time.

Ok so now it's the other guy who is wrong, not you... Nice defense.

As a writer, I would assume you also do a good deal of reading from respected authors.

How did you miss this gem?

"Several players on the PBA Tour throw spinners, and Tommy Baker has to be the leader of the pack." -- John Jowdy in Bowling execution.

I don't try to prove you wrong, you do that just fine on your own.

I just point out to others, that some of what you present as fact, is complete crap.

[bowl1820]

Rob's not exactly wrong Tom Baker (A PBA & USBC Hall of Famer, not Dr. Who!) actually had two releases, The full roll and the spinner.

He originally had a powerful very high rolling release, but do to wrist injures (He broke his wrist in a fall about 30 years ago, when his losing streak started).

He had to change his release because his hand no longer would get into position to do his roll release. So he changed and went to a spinner release.

That 2004 video of Tom Baker is after he changed to the spinner release. You would have to look at the videos from the early 80's to see his old release.

[RobLV1]

Ok so now it's the other guy who is wrong, not you... Nice defense.

As a writer, I would assume you also do a good deal of reading from respected authors.

How did you miss this gem?

"Several players on the PBA Tour throw spinners, and Tommy Baker has to be the leader of the pack." -- John Jowdy in Bowling execution.

I don't try to prove you wrong, you do that just fine on your own.

I just point out to others, that some of what you present as fact, is complete crap.

So, Mike, it was nice for a few weeks after we met in September, you managed not to make it personal, but here you go again. There is absolutely no reason to say things like this about me in a public forum. As I said above, it makes you look petty and small. If you think I'm wrong about something, fine. Just state your opinion without the personal attacks. I thought that you seemed like a pretty nice guy when we met in Vegas. Why do you feel the need to attack my credibility? Please just get over it; it's getting really old.

[Mike White]

So, Mike, it was nice for a few weeks after we met in September, you managed not to make it personal, but here you go again. There is absolutely no reason to say things like this about me in a public forum. As I said above, it makes you look petty and small. If you think I'm wrong about something, fine. Just state your opinion without the personal attacks. I thought that you seemed like a pretty nice guy when we met in Vegas. Why do you feel the need to attack my credibility? Please just get over it; it's getting really old.

I'm not the one who made this personal.

My comment in post #18 simply pointed out that Tom Baker was in fact not a full roller.

Your reply in #19 made it personal.

Again, I don't attack your credibility, you do that fine on your own.