I Hate Pre-bowling

[MICHAEL]

Well in a way you could say that non-sport condition bowling is cheating.

If the BPAA hadn't pressured the ABC (now USBC) into relaxing the oil pattern rules, any 300 score shot on a THS would be declared illegal.

When is the last time ANY score has been tossed due to oil?

The wall of oil can make bowlers appear more accurate, and reactive bowling balls can make the bowler appear to throw the ball more fundamentally sound than they do.

The integrity of the game as gone out the window.

To use your highway analogy, people are no longer speeding, because they removed the speed limits.

Really ,,,, the integrity has gone OUT the window? Where did it go?? Some might say that about MOST sports,,, golf, drivers the size of small cars, tennis rackets that are HUGE and very forgiving compared to the old rather small wooden ones, better gloves and equipment in baseball, its the nature and direction all sports go mike! But integrity out the window? I know its not the PERFECT analogy using equipment to oil, but its close.

It still takes a lot of talent to bowl a 300, or you and Rob with your knowledge would be rolling them left and right!

In Every sport equipment, has gotten better then in the past in order to give better scores, or increase you change of winning! Oil and balls that match up with the new oil is just another manifestation of cheating, you might say, compared to the past.

[fortheloveofbowling]

[QUOTE=Mike White;119204]Well in a way you could say that non-sport condition bowling is cheating.

If the BPAA hadn't pressured the ABC (now USBC) into relaxing the oil pattern rules, any 300 score shot on a THS would be declared illegal.

When is the last time ANY score has been tossed due to oil?



And still the usbc has not sanctioned the 900 Glen Allison shot 32 years ago on a second shift league to boot!

[Aslan]

And still the usbc has not sanctioned the 900 Glen Allison shot 32 years ago on a second shift league to boot!

I think Glenn still bowls in the Thursday night league there at the age of 83 and averages well over 200. THEREs a story Iceman would like. 83 and still bowling at a high level.

I actually almost joined that league. It's one of the rare ones that allows all mens teams in the area. Most are mixed and require at least one female bowler...which are in shorter supply.

[Mike White]

I think Glenn still bowls in the Thursday night league there at the age of 83 and averages well over 200. THEREs a story Iceman would like. 83 and still bowling at a high level.

I actually almost joined that league. It's one of the rare ones that allows all mens teams in the area. Most are mixed and require at least one female bowler...which are in shorter supply.

Maybe its around you that there is a shortage of female bowlers.

Glenn Allison shot 900 in an Anchor Girl Trio league, so I'm pretty sure they required at least one female.

Things may have changed in 30 years.

[Mike White]

Really ,,,, the integrity has gone OUT the window? Where did it go?? Some might say that about MOST sports,,, golf, drivers the size of small cars, tennis rackets that are HUGE and very forgiving compared to the old rather small wooden ones, better gloves and equipment in baseball, its the nature and direction all sports go mike! But integrity out the window? I know its not the PERFECT analogy using equipment to oil, but its close.

It still takes a lot of talent to bowl a 300, or you and Rob with your knowledge would be rolling them left and right!

In Every sport equipment, has gotten better then in the past in order to give better scores, or increase you change of winning! Oil and balls that match up with the new oil is just another manifestation of cheating, you might say, compared to the past.

Most of the guys averaging 200-210 would average about 160 before reactive resin, and "anything goes" oil patterns.

If they went back to the oil pattern rules, back when they inspected the lane after each honor score, there would be far less honor scores not rejected and reactive resin balls would be a whole lot harder to control.

Sport pattern leagues are similar, but even under those conditions, it's easier, and those rules reflect the differences.

In the past, if you shot an honor score, an ABC official (from your local association) would come to the center, and inspect your ball, the oil pattern, the pins, and the lanes to make sure everything is within specs.

That would be impossible today, partially due to financial reasons, and also due to the fact that the bowling ball itself will change the oil pattern.

It's quite possible to put down a pattern that would be legal based on the old rules, but then after bowling on the, become illegal.

Even on sport conditions they don't inspect the oil pattern after an honor score, they supposed to read the oil pattern after it's been applied, but before having been bowled on. And send those in to USBC. Who knows if that is actually done.

[J Anderson]

Even on sport conditions they don't inspect the oil pattern after an honor score, they supposed to read the oil pattern after it's been applied, but before having been bowled on. And send those in to USBC. Who knows if that is actually done.

I know that our was inspecting one lane each week and e-mailing the reading to everyone in the league. I think he's now posting it on Facebook. I assume he's also submitting the results to USBC.

[got_a_300]

In the past, if you shot an honor score, an ABC official (from your local association) would come to the center, and inspect your ball, the oil pattern, the pins, and the lanes to make sure everything is within specs.

Very true as back in the late 80's and into the late 90's when I was one of
the people from the local ABC association that had to go and do a through
inspection on the lanes, pull tape on the oil, and weigh and inspect the pins,
weigh and inspect the ball and check the ball surface for hardness / softness
after any kind of honor score was bowled.

Now days when an honor score is bowled it is just ho-hum fill out the paper work
and send it off and wait for their ring to come back.

No inspections of any kind except for the yearly certification inspection it's just like
oh well so what its just another honor score no big deal and that is the reason why
I decided to not accept the nomination to be back on the local USBC board of directors
when I returned to bowling as it is just no fun anymore not getting to do all of that.

[dnhoffman]

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