Since I've never seen you bowl, I wouldn't know.Originally Posted by channelsurfer
LOL!!!! Your post get more ridiculous every time.....please keep going this is getting really good
I learned to "throw revs" as you would say way before resin also......I don't have to throw urethane today.....why is that?
The possibilities are, you never learned to throw as many revs as I do. Very few did.
Also if you were bowling during the years where the bowling balls changed, and oil patterns changed, you've adapted to a weaker release to compensate for the stronger balls.
You can say things are obvious, but that is just you talking, that's not proof.
I have video of the ball just crossing the foul line, and completing a revolution in 57/480 of a second.
As is the nature of cameras, when the frame rate goes up, the lighting need increase as well.
Since bowling alleys are usually not lit with studio lights, the video is a bit grainy, but seeing the ability to identify a complete revolution is fairly easy.
You don't see me in the video, so before you claim someone else is throwing the ball, it has the tell tale bounce at the foul line.
Another feature I'm working to get rid of.
Well let's see the video.
What would the the Iceman say post "THE TRUTH!"
or if you can't post it shoot another, put some tracer tape on a ball and cranker up! don't get fancy with the high speed camera that needs a lot of light. Use ordinary one like evryone else uses.
ICE GOD WE NEED YOU!! Command Mike to post the TRUTH!.
Last edited by Doghouse Reilly; 12-13-2014 at 10:02 PM.
Doghouse Reilly
Patience, I was getting it ready.
There was 1.8 seconds between the two pauses, which represent one revolution.
1.8 seconds at 30 fps playback = 54 frames
Converting that to rpms is 480 * 60 / 54 = 533 rpms
MWhite DOES have a significant rev rate. I'm not sure I'd say it's 500rpm, but I'd bet it's in the low 400s. I'd need to see the film at standard speed or know the % slow motion to verify.
It was recorded at 480 fps.
It plays back at 30 fps.
The only way to see "standard speed" is to somehow speed it up 16x.
You like to pull numbers out of your stinky place, and you're doing it yet again.
The only time we've bowled together and my arm was healthy was in the sport league.
There was too much oil on the lanes for me to throw urethane, but the resin ball would hook too sharp when I put revs on it.
So I have to resort to a weak release with resin on a sport condition.
Maybe if we have a 50 foot pattern I can really let it rip.
Last post for me but this has been really good!!! Your arrogance continues to bring out your ignorance!!!
All I am going to say is you took 20 years off.........you still have a lot to learn. You are nowhere near 500 rpm's give it up......and if you post another rev rate video make sure it's not floor dumped so bad you have to try to calculate rev rate in the air. Statics will not change ball motion as the video I posted proved that. Until then hit the gym and work on that wrist so you can try to reach your 500-600 rpm goal....... What may be more beneficial to you grasshoppa, is to learn to get rid of the George Pappas stand up and reach to the ceiling hit and learn to throw the ball in an effective way today that you could use reactive effectively with a 500rpm rev rate........ if you could ever get 500 rpm's. You do not have to "tear your game down and rebuild it" as you stated earlier to do it.
P.S. Stop giving Rob a hard time. Seems to me the few post I have checked out that you always are calling him out......and from what I have seen he is more correct than you in those post!! Maybe if you would stop trying to be the all knowing, king of the bowling boards post whore and try to learn about the modern game before you call people out you wouldn't be such a bad guy.
fortheloveofbowling- yep drilling block weight, axis leverage and other exotic drillings for their time did have a positive effect on ball reaction. The key to what you said was legal statics......what wasn't known then that is known now is the density of the pancake and position of it relative to your pap was the reason for the change in reactions and not as much the statics. What was happening was you were taking a ball with no differential and creating it with the drilling and that differential ratio is what enhanced the ball motion.
You say I can't hit 500 revs, and I show you evidence.
Now you still claim I can't hit 500.
If there is something in the evidence you dispute say it.
Bad math? Show it
Seems you have some crow to eat, but you would rather shift the topic to the ball bouncing.
I already said the ball bounces, but even with that "problem" I still hit 533 rpm.
HOLYSMOKES invoking the "ICE GOD" worked! ALL PRAISE ICEMAN!
The video is clear enough, the only trouble is the video is so manipulated a accurate frame and rev rate can't be figured.
It was shot at 480 fps, done in slow motion, converted to 30 fps. Then is using the 54 frame count from the 30 fps video in a formula based on the 480 fps.
OH GREAT ICEGOD Demand another video done at normal speed! and posted at the frame rate it was shot. so a proper rev rate can be done!!
We offer many pins to your heavenly games!!!
Last edited by Doghouse Reilly; 12-14-2014 at 10:05 AM.
Doghouse Reilly
It's 480 fps video. The problem is getting it to play back at 480 fps is something each viewer would need to do.
Since most can't, the assumption is it will be viewed at 30 fps.
The only "manipulation" I did was to add a pause when the thumb hole reached half way up the side of the ball, and another pause when it reached that position again.
At 30 fps, the software said the time between the pauses was 1.8 seconds, which calculates to 54 frames.
Knowing that it was recorded at 480 fps, the time for one revolution was 54/480 of a second.
If I record at 30 fps, one rev will not have completed after 3 frames, but will have gone beyond a rev after 4 frames.
So by recording at 480, you get a more accurate result.
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