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    Personally, I think your system approach stems directly from a lack of confidence in your ability to adjust. Take a look at your 138-233-153 series. You were obviously lost the first game, had a good look the second game, and then got lost again. If you had simply made small, routine adjustments when your second game line started to go away, rather than go to your "B" game or your "C" game, or whatever, you could have probably managed to keep your last game in line with your second game. We all have bad games, but once we find something on a particular pair, we should be able to at least keep the next game in the same ballpark. You've made huge strides in your game. Your next step is to learn to trust your own ability.

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    I start with a Storm Marvel-S. Adjust up or down from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksox1 View Post
    I start with a Storm Marvel-S. Adjust up or down from there.
    That is one strong ball. You must have a house shot with some volume on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fortheloveofbowling View Post
    That is one strong ball. You must have a house shot with some volume on it.
    Yes, currently 42' THS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobLV1 View Post
    Personally, I think your system approach stems directly from a lack of confidence in your ability to adjust. Take a look at your 138-233-153 series. You were obviously lost the first game, had a good look the second game, and then got lost again. If you had simply made small, routine adjustments when your second game line started to go away, rather than go to your "B" game or your "C" game, or whatever, you could have probably managed to keep your last game in line with your second game. We all have bad games, but once we find something on a particular pair, we should be able to at least keep the next game in the same ballpark. You've made huge strides in your game. Your next step is to learn to trust your own ability.
    Well...that is all true actually. But I think the last game the brandy doubles caught up with me. Thats the only thing I can think of because once I adjusted my speed...I was definitely 'on'.

    Where I feel like my systems approach is beneficial, hear me out, is that the game tends to award:
    1) Accuracy
    2) Consistency

    Bowlers that can hit the same spot, at the same speed. with the same axis tilt...will almost always strike. Sure, the lanes can change. Sure, a pin can be slightly off spot. But the bottom line is you want to take "variation" out of the equation. A "system" keeps a bowler from doing something due to a "gut feeling". And I'm terrible with that. I can't even count how many shots I've missed NOT because I didn't have the right ball and right line and right speed...but because just when I was going to release the ball...I didn't trust my line. And 90% of the time...I'll miss if I don't trust my line. I'll push it thinking I'm lined up too left...or I'll pull it thinking it won't come back...I'll miss.

    So, you're right. The system is because I don't necessarily trust myself enough and my ability enough to just make changes based on gut reactions. But it's also because even for higher average bowlers...gut reactions aren't always a good idea. As I've stated many times...one of my bigger pet peeves...bowlers that make ball changes for no apparent or explainable reason... They 'miss' and suddenly they are grabbing another ball.

    We'll see. I'm quickly discovering that the key to high scoring appears to be having miss room. When I can't miss 1 board either way...thats tough. But when I have the right ball on the right line...and I can miss a few boards right and still get a pocket strike....or miss a couple boards left and the oil pattern holds it in line...man...suddenly I go from averaging 150s to 170s to averaging 170s to 190s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksox1 View Post
    Yes, currently 42' THS.
    Dumb question but is pattern length 42' or above considered a medium/heavy condition or would it depend on how many units of oil? My center has a 42' THS as well and all but one of my pieces is designated less than "Medium/Heavy" oil (medium Hyroad Pearl)

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    The length of the pattern and the volume of the pattern are two different things. A 42' pattern may be a medium/heavy condition, or it may be a medium/light condition depending on the volume.

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    Let me get back to you with the units and volume.

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    During warmup/practice I will typically go to my strongest ball, if I don't like the reaction with my typical line, I'll move a bit before deciding to switch balls. Depending on who we bowl against, I may make it through the second game before going to a weaker ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiepenburg View Post
    During warmup/practice I will typically go to my strongest ball, if I don't like the reaction with my typical line, I'll move a bit before deciding to switch balls. Depending on who we bowl against, I may make it through the second game before going to a weaker ball.
    Something that I've been advocating for a long time, and that was actually picked up by Randy Pedersen on last week's telecast is that thinking of balls as "weak" or "strong" is really counterproductive. They are actually just more aggressive or less aggressive. If a strong ball burns up at 40' and hits like a toasted marshmallow, is it really stronger than a weak ball that retains it's energy for the pins and shreds the rack? How about rather than weak ball, strong ball, we think of right ball, wrong ball?

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