Getting back into bowling. Guidance please?

[larry mc]

guess it matters where it is relative to everything else , just find a good driller and tell him or her what u want the ball 2 do

[fortheloveofbowling]

No, it doesn't. Pin down increases the angle to the VAL which causes the ball to rev up slower (go longer) and transition slower at the breakpoint (more of an arcing shape than a hockey stick shape). The notion that pin down balls roll sooner is left over from the days before balls had cores and static thumb weight resulted in earlier roll. Today, the positioning of the core in the ball has rendered static weights meaningless.

If you put the pin below say your bridge and the mass bias straight down then sure it will go longer. But that is because of the drilling angle being greater which controls the skid length. The angle to the val dictates not the length but how fast the ball transitions at the breakpoint.

[Mike White]

If you put the pin below say your bridge and the mass bias straight down then sure it will go longer. But that is because of the drilling angle being greater which controls the skid length. The angle to the val dictates not the length but how fast the ball transitions at the breakpoint.

I think you'll find that the drilling angle really doesn't control the skid length.

Coverstock, and surface roughness have a much larger impact on skid length,

[fortheloveofbowling]

I think you'll find that the drilling angle really doesn't control the skid length.

Coverstock, and surface roughness have a much larger impact on skid length,

Sure surface is probably the first consideration and that is something that high level players adjust a lot with. But i'm talking strictly about drilling angle versus angle to val. But if you want to add surface to the mix, that is why on longer patterns you see guys using some surface to even out the skid and larger drilling angles with the mass bias farther away from the pap so the ball is not as rolly and have some back end. That is if they are trying to create angle downlane. Now if you are trying to play straighter like wrw would do then his drilling would be small angles on both equations to transition the ball in to a roll as quick as possible.

[RobLV1]

guess it matters where it is relative to everything else , just find a good driller and tell him or her what u want the ball 2 do

How about instead of finding a good driller and telling him or her what you want the ball to do, you find a good driller and ask him or her what ball to buy that was designed to do what you want it to do?

[larry mc]

he said heavy oil ball , smart guy, how about not being a know it all arrogant ***

[Steve Mac]

How about the DV8 thug?

[bowl1820]

http://www.bowlingfans.com/jeff/a/mi...tion_guide.htm

Note: The "Mini Bowling Ball Reaction/Layout Guide" of Jeff's is way out of date It's from 2003. That was around when they were still using the old Clock Layout Systems.

[RobLV1]

he said heavy oil ball , smart guy, how about not being a know it all arrogant ***

So where's the oil heavy; in the heads, in the center part of the lane, tight backends? Sorry you think I'm arrogant. I guess all the time I spend studying this stuff, researching this stuff, thinking about this stuff, and writing about this stuff just doesn't make it as valid as your opinion.

[larry mc]

its not about your knowledge its the attitude