Which Storm IQ ball for when the lanes start to break down?

[fortheloveofbowling]

go back to the site and go back down the DIFF it has words in it that are underlines move your mouse over that word and it will come up with more text witch will clarify what it says.

I missing the masters matchplay. I am going to stick with my interpretations of rg controlling length and diff controlling motion. The numbers on a undrilled ball along with surface are the characteristics of that ball. When you punch holes in it and depending on where those holes are you can change those characteristics. You go with what works for you. Good day to you sir.

[fortheloveofbowling]

Matt,

To get back to the original question before striker and i had our differing opinions. I have the iq tour pearl and i like it. Like rob said, you could go with some of the other storm stuff with the higher rg which IMO would help get the ball down the lane. The way i had my iq drilled allows adequate length and a fairly controlled motion on the back. I don't know your game but since you are just getting back in to bowling i would talk to the pro shop guy about a similar drill. That way you don't get a drill that turns out to be erratic at the break point. As i said, even with the lower rg my iq has decent length. It does seem to be a ball based on what i have seen from other guys that is versatile in regards to drilling options. Whatever you choose just let your driller watch you and explain what you are looking for as far as ball motion for the entire lane. Good luck with your choice.

[Mike White]

ok nothing I have said was about the length adjustments if you go into the side notes on that side it will explain what it means. all my information has come from storm.


so im done here you guys think your all correct even when i asked storm and they have clarified it for me. i have also been to pro shop seminars witch they talk about this and i have also watched the video that storm released about the crux webinar and they explain it in there. 1 thing you guys don't seem to get about me is i have a very good visual memory i watch or get told something i can remember forever. i cant even watch a movie more then once because i remember what happens in it.

Storm has an incorrect popup when you point to the word length in the definition of Differential.

In the case of differential, the length being controlled is known as the amount of track flair, such as 1-2", 3-4", 5-6", 6"+

That is not the same length as a distance down the lane.

[striker12]

Storm has an incorrect popup when you point to the word length in the definition of Differential.

In the case of differential, the length being controlled is known as the amount of track flair, such as 1-2", 3-4", 5-6", 6"+

That is not the same length as a distance down the lane.

ok that's not what I was fully saying I have asked storm I contacted them and they told me that DIFF was that creates length on a ball and they also have me a example of it:

heres the example:"" your out side with your shoes on and you slide on ice you slide for abit of a distance but slowly slowing down (low friction).

now you go over to the road and you try to slide there you might slide 2inch or non at all(high friction)

so classing the ice as a low flaring ball it does not creates much friction making it slide down the lane more.

taking the road as a high flaring ball it will create more friction making the ball slow down and not get that far down the lane.""



now I asked them what can make the ball hook and its a combination of the RG and the core.

what they said to me was when the ball starts to slow down the RG takes over and helps the ball move left the lower the RG the more of a faster turn it will have but a higher RG will have more of a smooth arc, what actually makes the ball first turn is the axis rotation that the bowler puts on the ball to move the core in a certain direction the RG just helps the ball make the turn.


these words straight from storms

[Mike White]

ok you must be aggressing with him because he has said this same thing before but its wrong. contact storm or any other company and they will tell you the RG is for the shape of the backend and the diff is the length, lower the diff makes the ball go longer. I have worked in a proshop for a few years and I have thrown multiple different bowling balls with all different numbers and when I threw my iq tour pearl. it went down the lane a lot longer and made a very strong snap.

so then how does my iq tour pearl with a diff of .029 snap instead of arching.

you get a ball with a high diff of .050-.060 your ball with turn up sooner, the diff does not do anything with the hook, it only tells how far down the lane the ball will go before it hooks.


let me guess rob said this in another post to you or to someone else and you read it and you believed it. how about this I have seen it so many times rob post on someone's thread with not correct information completely wrong just like this one he posted, so I msged the person who made that post to not listen to what rob said because he's wrong, because rob with get into a argument with anyone that says he's wrong I have seen it personally and with other people.

rob thinks he knows everything and he goes on to everyone that he does but you know what, you know what bowling balls have changed from when he first started learning I got into bowling when the change happened.


so do me a favour and contact storm and say to them that the RG is for the length lets see what they say to you because I have already asked them awhile ago.

Just because Rob is wrong, doesn't mean you are right.

When you refer to length (as in distance down the lane) there are 2 different measurements that seem to get confused.

First you have the length of skid. (foul line to the beginning of the hook phase)
Then you have the length of the hook phase.

The length of the roll phase is a simple math calculation, 60' - skid - hook.

The surface of the ball, lane conditions, and track flare (very small effect) determines the length of the skid phase.

The skid phase lasts until the ball sees friction.

The drilled differential, drilled RG, and lane conditions control the hook phase of the ball.

Hook phase lasts until the ball is rolling.

Your IQ Tour Pearl goes long, and snaps, because the skid phase is extended due to the pearl surface, and the hook phase is reduced due to the low RG.

As for Rob arguing with anyone who says he's wrong, I don't find that to be the case. The last thing Rob wants to do is argue when I tell him he is wrong.

[striker12]

Just because Rob is wrong, doesn't mean you are right.

When you refer to length (as in distance down the lane) there are 2 different measurements that seem to get confused.

First you have the length of skid. (foul line to the beginning of the hook phase)
Then you have the length of the hook phase.

The length of the roll phase is a simple math calculation, 60' - skid - hook.

The surface of the ball, lane conditions, and track flare (very small effect) determines the length of the skid phase.

The skid phase lasts until the ball sees friction.

The drilled differential, drilled RG, and lane conditions control the hook phase of the ball.

Hook phase lasts until the ball is rolling.

Your IQ Tour Pearl goes long, and snaps, because the skid phase is extended due to the pearl surface, and the hook phase is reduced due to the low RG.

As for Rob arguing with anyone who says he's wrong, I don't find that to be the case. The last thing Rob wants to do is argue when I tell him he is wrong.

ok you clear up a lot of things here lets not saying this to be rude, lets end this whole thing so it don't go no further.

[Mike White]

ok that's not what I was fully saying I have asked storm I contacted them and they told me that DIFF was that creates length on a ball and they also have me a example of it:

heres the example:"" your out side with your shoes on and you slide on ice you slide for abit of a distance but slowly slowing down (low friction).

now you go over to the road and you try to slide there you might slide 2inch or non at all(high friction)

so classing the ice as a low flaring ball it does not creates much friction making it slide down the lane more.

taking the road as a high flaring ball it will create more friction making the ball slow down and not get that far down the lane.""



now I asked them what can make the ball hook and its a combination of the RG and the core.

what they said to me was when the ball starts to slow down the RG takes over and helps the ball move left the lower the RG the more of a faster turn it will have but a higher RG will have more of a smooth arc, what actually makes the ball first turn is the axis rotation that the bowler puts on the ball to move the core in a certain direction the RG just helps the ball make the turn.


these words straight from storms

A resin ball will reduce friction more than a non-resin ball, when there is oil between the ball and the lane.
A resin ball will increase friction more than a non-resin ball, when there is no oil between the ball and the lane.

If you use a low diff ball with resin, there will be more oil between the ball and the lane, even after the end of the pattern, because of oil picked up on previous revolutions.

By adding the unstable core, track flair causes the ball to rotate over an ever changing axis, which means a different part of the ball is in contact with the lane.

That allows the ball to have no oil between the ball and the lane, once the ball has exited the oil pattern.

Since the lane itself has oil on it in the front part of the lane, track flair doesn't keep the oil from between the ball and the lane.

That means track flair doesn't have a significant effect on the length of the skid phase.

Once the ball enters the hook phase, there is a force on the bottom of the ball (due to friction) that is trying to increase the revs of the ball, the RG resists this increase in revs.

The hooking action comes from the Rev Rate, and Axis of Rotation, Axis tilt plays a minor part (high tilt, less significant)

The friction from the lane, increases the Rev Rate, decreases the Axis of Rotation, and changes the path of the ball.

Once the Axis of Rotation is the same as the path of the ball, no more change of direction will occur, and the ball has achieved the roll phase.

The RG doesn't help the ball hook, it just has an effect on the length of the hook phase (higher RG, longer hook phase)

Personally, I use a ball with a U1S cover, (pancake weight black drilled with the CG in the middle of the palm) and an RG of 2.69.

In theory, there is so much about that ball to make it go long, it's a miracle the ball return can change it's direction.

[Amyers]

Storm has an incorrect popup when you point to the word length in the definition of Differential.

In the case of differential, the length being controlled is known as the amount of track flair, such as 1-2", 3-4", 5-6", 6"+

That is not the same length as a distance down the lane.

Wow a Mwhite post that I agree with

[Blomer]

While. Didn't understand all the posts on here, I found it to be entertaining!

[Mike White]

While. Didn't understand all the posts on here, I found it to be entertaining!

If you have questions, don't hesitate to ask.