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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike White View Post
    Why are you yanking the ball across your body on your spare attempts.

    Do you also yank the strike shots, but that hasn't been a problem?

    Or do you try to make spares a completely different way than strikes?

    Trust me, when you get to 80% on your single pin spares, you still won't be happy.

    When you get comfortable making single pin spares, the though process is...

    I stand here, and throw there, just that simple.

    You'll find that you feel you should be able to do simple things more often than 80% of the time.
    Very good questions, Mike.

    If I had to guess why I miss so many spares, I'd have to say it's a mental issue with concentration. There are games/nights where I can get as high as 90% on single pins, but historically I've been inconsistent with them. I know how to adjust, target and throw to make any spare....but moving around the approach changes something in my mind, often causing me to yank the shot. It's completely in my head, and I need to get it out of there.

    I don't have this problem with strike shots, because I'm standing in "my" spot and feel comfortable.

    Though I'm improving in average and other areas of the game, spare shooting is something I need to improve on even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jab5325 View Post
    Very good questions, Mike.

    If I had to guess why I miss so many spares, I'd have to say it's a mental issue with concentration. There are games/nights where I can get as high as 90% on single pins, but historically I've been inconsistent with them. I know how to adjust, target and throw to make any spare....but moving around the approach changes something in my mind, often causing me to yank the shot. It's completely in my head, and I need to get it out of there.

    I don't have this problem with strike shots, because I'm standing in "my" spot and feel comfortable.

    Though I'm improving in average and other areas of the game, spare shooting is something I need to improve on even more.

    This can get in your head. I went through a funk with making (or missing) the 10 pin. I am pretty good at making my single spares, but went something like 1/15 on my 10 pins recently. I kept moving, aiming at different locations, flatting wrist more (& more). I finally stopped trying so hard and picked up a couple in a row. Since then I've gone like 8/9. I do think it gets in your head.
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    As the saying goes, you are your own worst enemy. The mental game is something that has plagued me for years. I have learned that maintaining a positive mindset throughout competition can be a huge benefit.

    For any shot when you are up on the approach, going into the shot process already thinking you are going to miss you have already lost the battle. Visualize making the spare and set your mind to make it ahead of time and you will see the benefits of positive thinking.

    When I had a coaching session with Susie Minshew last summer, we talked about the mental game and she gave me a book by Lanny Bassham titled "With Winning in Mind". Good book that covers the mental game and how to get your mind into the positive and repeat the shots you know you can make. You have picked them up before, no reason that you can't do it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jab5325 View Post
    I've recently started keeping track of my stats/scores via PinPal, and it got me thinking:

    What do you all consider to be "good" strike/spare percentages, and first-ball averages?
    It depends on your definition of "good". For the PBA touring players; 60% or better for strikes and high 90s% for single pin spares seems to be the norm.

    For amateurs bowling on a THS, given the easier conditions, "good" numbers would be about the same. I suspect that few amateurs are really in the high 90s on single pin spares.

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    Since your talking about percentages, have a look at this.

    ESPN The Magazine Breaks Down PBA Spare Shooting
    ESPN The Magazine included an analysis of the 20 most common spare attempts after breaking down video of PBA matches between 2005 and 2010.

    Players threw strikes on 4,374 of 7,155 first-ball attempts (a 61.13% success rate), meaning they also had to make 2,781 spare attempts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubtx View Post
    For any shot when you are up on the approach, going into the shot process already thinking you are going to miss you have already lost the battle. Visualize making the spare and set your mind to make it ahead of time and you will see the benefits of positive thinking.
    That's really good advice and is now something I try to do myself most of the time. If I'm about to get on the approach and my mind isn't in the right state (if I have some negative thought that I will miss the spare) I try and step back for a second, maybe let someone else go before me if I have to, and try to reset my thought process and get myself prepared to make the spare.

    It's something I've started to become conscious about and have recently really started trying to put an emphasis on in my own game. It's a bit strange when you step back and think about it, but really, who stands on the approach for their first shot thinking "oh no, I'm going to put the ball out too far and get a washout", you stand there and think "ok, I'm going to put the ball here on this line with this release and it's going to strike" and you just go and do it. Why should spare shooting be any different? There's no reason to doubt yourself any more when shooting a spare than when you're trying to throw a strike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubtx View Post
    As the saying goes, you are your own worst enemy. The mental game is something that has plagued me for years. I have learned that maintaining a positive mindset throughout competition can be a huge benefit.

    For any shot when you are up on the approach, going into the shot process already thinking you are going to miss you have already lost the battle. Visualize making the spare and set your mind to make it ahead of time and you will see the benefits of positive thinking.

    When I had a coaching session with Susie Minshew last summer, we talked about the mental game and she gave me a book by Lanny Bassham titled "With Winning in Mind". Good book that covers the mental game and how to get your mind into the positive and repeat the shots you know you can make. You have picked them up before, no reason that you can't do it again.
    This is great advice! The mental side to this game is so important and a bad attitude or lack of confidence is a recipe for disaster. If there is a shot that you don't think you're going to make you m as well hit the reset button and spare yourself the energy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hampe View Post
    Why should spare shooting be any different? There's no reason to doubt yourself any more when shooting a spare than when you're trying to throw a strike.
    Completely agree, but I'll take it a step further. There's no reason to doubt yourself any more shooting a corner pin than you would the 5-pin. When there is a 5 pin standing it's shot at with confidence, but when there's a 10 pin standing that same bowler cringes and the confidence drops. Sure you have a little less room for error but you know how to make it, you've made it a ton of times, so just go up there and make the thing, don't be afraid of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowl1820 View Post
    Since your talking about percentages, have a look at this.

    ESPN The Magazine Breaks Down PBA Spare Shooting
    ESPN The Magazine included an analysis of the 20 most common spare attempts after breaking down video of PBA matches between 2005 and 2010.

    Players threw strikes on 4,374 of 7,155 first-ball attempts (a 61.13% success rate), meaning they also had to make 2,781 spare attempts.
    My web filters won't show the pic you likely attached, so I found where this article was and did a screen grab of it:

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