Critique my release again

[NewToBowling]

NEW VIDEO, SEE POST #22

Finally video taped myself again and looks like I am still not behind the ball or at least maintaining it. I keep "breaking" my wrist when I turn and it looks like I turn my wrist too early. I'm getting more spin than revolutions.

Yes I know my approach and swing are still a bit off and I loft the ball. But concerned about staying behind the ball. So the palm of your hand should be pointed towards the sky when it reaches your sliding foot? And at that point you quickly rotate the wrist ala underhanded football toss?



Just for reference this is vdubtx's video (hope you don't mine me linking it) and he has a beautiful release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvqqblYyzSc

[NewToBowling]

I'm bowling some more tonight. Will try not to hook the ball and just release without hand motion. See if hand stays behind ball.

And I think most of these releases and am trying to hook the ball. Just go with natural release

[RobLV1]

Try this: think about rolling the ball, not throwing it. Try a couple of one step drills where your hand is at the bottom of the ball and you simply roll it forward. Your hand is in a real good position behind the ball until your loft it down the lane.

[NewToBowling]

Yeah, I get it pretty good behind the ball but when I release it cocks to the right and the wrist breaks. Bad habit.

I do have a wrist guard but don't like how it feels on my wrist.

[NewToBowling]

Videos of night practice. Look any better?

Looks like more revolutions vs spins?

Was really focused on keeping wrist firm

Scores range from 200 to around 130 or so

[NewToBowling]

Try this: think about rolling the ball, not throwing it. Try a couple of one step drills where your hand is at the bottom of the ball and you simply roll it forward. Your hand is in a real good position behind the ball until your loft it down the lane.

Yeah, but when I think of rolling I loosen my wrist. Now I just think FIRM wrist and it makes the release kind of awkward, kind of what you said, just tossing the ball

[Mike White]

Videos of night practice. Look any better?

Looks like more revolutions vs spins?

Was really focused on keeping wrist firm

Scores range from 200 to around 130 or so

Looks to me like you're starting the ball too late into your approach.

The ball should reach the bottom of the back swing while your weight is on your right foot, you're getting there with the weight on your left foot.

That only allows two more steps in the time it takes to complete the arm swing.

During the back swing, you have a hop in your step.

The hand is in a good position, but the path of the ball during the back swing brings the ball behind your body, rather than maintain a pendulum swing towards your target.

[RobLV1]

Yeah, but when I think of rolling I loosen my wrist. Now I just think FIRM wrist and it makes the release kind of awkward, kind of what you said, just tossing the ball

The idea of keeping your wrist firm throughout the approach is very old school and was effective with pre-reactive resin bowling balls, but with modern balls is actually dedrimental. If you watch slow motion videos of any of the modern players, you'll see that the wrist actually breaks, and then reloads through the release. Good examples to watch are Chris Barnes and Michael Fagan. Watch how each of them roll the ball down the lane rather than throwing it.

[jab5325]

I'm far from an expert, and RobLV1/others would be able to tell you better.....but it seems like you're high at release and really lofting the ball quite far down the lane.

[NewToBowling]

Looks to me like you're starting the ball too late into your approach.

The ball should reach the bottom of the back swing while your weight is on your right foot, you're getting there with the weight on your left foot.

That only allows two more steps in the time it takes to complete the arm swing.

During the back swing, you have a hop in your step.

The hand is in a good position, but the path of the ball during the back swing brings the ball behind your body, rather than maintain a pendulum swing towards your target.

Thanks Mike. I just noticed this. I was probably thinking too much about the hand release and forgot about my footwork. I am usually pretty good with footwork timing. I move my right foot with right swing arm. My first video towards the 20 second mark shows this I believe. Just got kind of messed up last night from over thinking about firm wrist.

And I agree with you on my hand position. I don't really want my hands that far inside of the ball when I swing back. Would prefer hands be directly behind it. I'm going to practice the swing drill with and without my wrist support and record it to see any improvements. Will also try using index finger as guide, making sure it is pointed at the lanes and pointed down on my downswing. This will cock my wrist a bit also.

The idea of keeping your wrist firm throughout the approach is very old school and was effective with pre-reactive resin bowling balls, but with modern balls is actually dedrimental. If you watch slow motion videos of any of the modern players, you'll see that the wrist actually breaks, and then reloads through the release. Good examples to watch are Chris Barnes and Michael Fagan. Watch how each of them roll the ball down the lane rather than throwing it.

Yeah I've watched all the pros but they have a modern release. They don't seem to do the "handshake" rotation but more of a slight cock and uncocking of wrist. Not sure I'm comfortable with that release. I've been training myself these last few months on the handshake or under-handed football toss.

I just put in new yellow colored fingertip grips so I can easily see where they are down lane (used to be blue). Generally the finger holes should be traveling at around 20-40 degrees around the axis of the ball right?

http://www.blueprintbowling.com/Blog...explained.aspx

I'm far from an expert, and RobLV1/others would be able to tell you better.....but it seems like you're high at release and really lofting the ball quite far down the lane.

Yeah, the loft is bad but my knees aren't the greatest so trying to preserve them