Kegel link for a good release technique..........

[fortheloveofbowling]

The problem with sticking with the old style, hand around the side of the ball release, is that it is impossible to project the ball from left to right (for a right hander) when you use it. This is the reason that so many of the posters here complain about having to use very non-aggressive equipment: they don't have a release that will let them move into the oil.

Where do get this type of thinking? Look at a slow motion of weber's release for a reality check. That type release creates more axis tilt and plenty of motion and actually is a bigger asset opening up your angles as the ball clears the fronts easier. On the other comment: a lot of bowlers would have no chance to move inside if they did not have modern release enhancing equipment that makes them look as if they throw it well.

[RobLV1]

Impossible? Um, no, I do it every time.

Sorry, Mike. I've seen you bowl. You drop it. You spin it. You use plastic and urethane because you never get the ball into a roll. If you want to bowl like that, fine. Please let the others who aren't living in the past learn how to use modern equipment.

[RobLV1]

Where do get this type of thinking? Look at a slow motion of weber's release for a reality check. That type release creates more axis tilt and plenty of motion and actually is a bigger asset opening up your angles as the ball clears the fronts easier. On the other comment: a lot of bowlers would have no chance to move inside if they did not have modern release enhancing equipment that makes them look as if they throw it well.

Weber is a really bad example to cite. Weber's release creates what has long been called "voodoo roll." He creates a lot of axis rotation, with little axis tilt down the lane. His ball basically spins to get it down the lane, but once it bites, it is a very end over end roll. If you know anyone else who can release a ball like that, please tell him/her to go out on the tour and become the next greatest bowler of all time.

[Mike White]

Sorry, Mike. I've seen you bowl. You drop it. You spin it. You use plastic and urethane because you never get the ball into a roll. If you want to bowl like that, fine. Please let the others who aren't living in the past learn how to use modern equipment.

Yeah, I bowl horrible, yet somehow manage to out average you by a significant amount, while using old tech equipment.

That doesn't say much for modern equipment, or your knowledge about using it.


You: 1560-51218

Me: 1560-11073

[RobLV1]

Yeah, I bowl horrible, yet somehow manage to out average you by a significant amount, while using old tech equipment.

That doesn't say much for modern equipment, or your knowledge about using it.


You: 1560-51218

Me: 1560-11073

Mike, I never claimed to be a good bowler. The job of a coach is to teach bowlers what THEY need to do, not to bowl like YOU do. Walter Ray will be the first to tell you that he, as a Silver Level Coach, would never teach anyone to bowl like he does. I'd love to see how good you could really be if you'd learn to use modern equipment instead of whining about it's existence. It's not going away, so you might as well learn to take advantage of it.

[NewToBowling]

Hey you two, get a room

[fortheloveofbowling]

Weber is a really bad example to cite. Weber's release creates what has long been called "voodoo roll." He creates a lot of axis rotation, with little axis tilt down the lane. His ball basically spins to get it down the lane, but once it bites, it is a very end over end roll. If you know anyone else who can release a ball like that, please tell him/her to go out on the tour and become the next greatest bowler of all time.

You are right, weber was a bad example because he is so unique. The point i was trying to make though and not so eloquently was that playing inside is not limited to 1 type of release as you were eluding to.

[RobLV1]

You are right, weber was a bad example because he is so unique. The point i was trying to make though and not so eloquently was that playing inside is not limited to 1 type of release as you were eluding to.

I never said that playing inside is limited to one kind of release. It is, however, limited to releases that enable bowlers to project the ball from left to right (for right handers). In a great majority of cases, bowlers who use old style, side of the ball releases, try to project the ball by standing left and walking right. This results in an increased tendency to come over the top of the ball the farther left they move. If you are a BTM subscriber, I am currently working on an article on this very subject that should be up in the next month or two.

[fortheloveofbowling]

I never said that playing inside is limited to one kind of release. It is, however, limited to releases that enable bowlers to project the ball from left to right (for right handers). In a great majority of cases, bowlers who use old style, side of the ball releases, try to project the ball by standing left and walking right. This results in an increased tendency to come over the top of the ball the farther left they move. If you are a BTM subscriber, I am currently working on an article on this very subject that should be up in the next month or two.

Playing any angle is not limited to any release or walking pattern. The thing is you have to match up release, speed, equipment, your body positions, etc. There is more than one way to skin a cat as the saying goes. Bowling is not a math equation where there is 1 correct answer. If your coaching approach is to create a math equation then that is wrong. Telling people can't all the time is not effective coaching. Like my mom always said "CAN'T NEVER COULD DO ANYTHING".

[RobLV1]

Playing any angle is not limited to any release or walking pattern. The thing is you have to match up release, speed, equipment, your body positions, etc. There is more than one way to skin a cat as the saying goes. Bowling is not a math equation where there is 1 correct answer. If your coaching approach is to create a math equation then that is wrong. Telling people can't all the time is not effective coaching. Like my mom always said "CAN'T NEVER COULD DO ANYTHING".

I am not trying to create a math equation. That would be stupid! All I'm saying is that modern equipment needs to be projected from left to right, and that I've never seen it done effectively by anyone who walks right with their hand on the side of the ball. Participation in any written forum where bowling styles cannot be seen requires that certain presumptions be made. Those presumptions are based on the experiences and observations of the author. There may be some bowlers out there who walk right and have their hands on the side of the ball and do it effectively. Frankly, I've never seen it, and logic says that if you are walking right, you have to be throwing left, and that gets you over the top of the ball.

And, by the way, I don't tell people they can't all the time. I tell them that they can after they tell me that they can't work the inside of the ball because they've never done it before. It's all a matter of perspective.