Was his name Iceman?
I had a guy come into the shop who wanted to know what new ball would help his game.Originally Posted by ALazySavage
This guy has a release so bad that he makes Aslan look great.
Rather than suggesting a ball, I told him about the Saturday Morning Seminars down at Fountain Bowl put on by Barry Asher and Mark Baker when available.
I said that fixing how he threw the ball would improve EVERY ball he has now, and buys in the future, and that I wasn't qualified to help him fix those problems.
He took that as an insult, that he doesn't throw the ball well enough for my help.
Some people are beyond help.
Was his name Iceman?
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The league I bowl in has several guys that are coaches for the local high schools and the general rule they seem to go by is to only offer help to bowlers that ask them for it or have expressed that they value their input.
I have seen people ask for help and then tell them they are wrong or don't know what they are talking about .......those people are the ones who can never take advice because they already know everything !
No...he did not...and he never will. I could go out and throw back to back 900 series and get a professional bowling sponsorship and gold level certification...and this guy will NOT listen to me.
And you're right...my rule is I only offer advice if asked....but in THIS case...after EVERY STINKING SHOT I had to listen to him moan and whine that he can't play on these lanes because they're too dry and he's out of options (ball choices) and wah wah wah.... I practically was giving him advice just to get him to stop whining about it.
We have a true beginner on our team...and I've given her just a couple pointers over the course of the season...but she also doesn't seem that interested in learning to bowl properly...so I don't even bother. BUT...the difference is...she doesn't complain endlessly after each bad shot...at least not to me.
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Simple solution: If all he does is whine, don't bowl with him again!
I have to laugh on this one. I am an old guy 57 and one of my team mates is 25. He has a bad habit of taking out the 7 pin on the first ball. He clearly comes across his body on his swing aiming straight at the 7 pin and wonders why the ball misses his mark. Sometimes you just gotta shake your head and smile. He is getting better we got him to go to a finger tip grip and a reactive ball so I think there is hope yet for him.
Basically the incident you described can be verbatim applied to my story, my teammate is 66, all kinds of surgeries throws ball 9.5 to 11 range, I noticed that 2 consecutive shots he hit the second arrow yet the ball went way pass the headpin, I told him to move left, he goes "just cause you worked with a coach for 10 minutes, doesnt mean you know everything" dude was clearly pissed at me when I was trying to help. I believe that this week I pass him in average.
Yeah. Again...I try not to offer help unless I'm asked. Whether it's a youth, a female, or anyone.
But this guy spends the entire night whining that he has 16 bowling balls and has to use his plastic ball because "the lanes are too dry". No...the lanes are an easy version of a THS...there's a butt ton of oil in the middle...and it's 90% ball speed that is causing every ball in your arsenal to hook left of the headpin....AND...there ARE solutions to help fix the problem...but you REFUSE to do anything other than complain and try crazy things. I mean, he tried bowling thumbless once....which had the opposite effect if anything than what he was going for.
And the reason it bothers me isn't that I want to be a coach or anything. I really don't care. It's just that I really like this guy and I love his passion for the game...it's similar to mine or Iceman's (before he joined a cult and moved to a desert camp to prepare for the end of the World). The difference is...I take in everyone's opinions and suggestions. I'm FAR more coachable than people give me credit for. Iceman...not as much. And the guy on my Wednesday team...way, way worse!!
I figured it out Aslan, if this guy would stop carrying 16 balls into the bowling center he would not be worn out and might bowl better LOL
Last edited by Jessiewoodard57; 08-24-2015 at 02:59 PM.
I'm pretty sure I have not even owned 16 balls over all the years I've bowled and there is certainly no way I would try to haul anywhere near that many balls anywhere, I think the max I would bring is 3 or 4.
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