What's your opinion ? 14 / 15, design or ?

[Aslan]

Wait…BiilF is back!!? We officially have TWO bowling Gods!! This is gonna get ugly…have we learned NOTHING from the Thor movies? Two Gods on the planet fighting takes out like 2/3 of a major city. Not to mention the Godzilla series….Japan has been wiped out and rebuilt like 14 times!!!

But still….robots...

[Mike White]

God…I wish Rob Mike and Bill would settle this dispute….with ROBOTS!!!



I'm gonna recruit Bill Nye the Science Guy to come to this site…and in between discrediting creationism…he's gonna slap you with some science!!!

But still, first choice, ROBOTS. And have the battle in that barn that Iceman bowls in…maybe we'll get lucky and it'll get set on fire by one of the robots.

Those aren't robots, those are remote control toys.... dangerous toys, but still toys.

A Robot would examine the environment, and decide on it's own (based on previous programming) how to defend itself, and defeat the opponent.

What you have here is just a glorified video game.

[Tony]

I don't know if this pertains to the current robot aspect of the thread but I was actually able to play a couple of games on the league oil pattern using the 14lb ball.
In the first game I primarily played starting between 20 and 25 and throwing over 10 to 13, the results were poor leaving lots of pins, splits, some as a result of poor shooting and others seemed like good shots but left 10 pins, also missed some spares I should have hit and ended up with a 141

The second game I started the same way buy after 4 frames moved right and lined up between 15 and 20 and threw over 5-7, the results were much better with many more strikes and easier to convert spares, ended up shooting a 208 .

I tend to think along the line that the 14lb diva divine does not get enough grip in the heavy oil and is better suited to playing a down and in shot where it seemed to make a much stronger move to the pocket.

[Aslan]

Those aren't robots, those are remote control toys.... dangerous toys, but still toys.

A Robot would examine the environment, and decide on it's own (based on previous programming) how to defend itself, and defeat the opponent.

What you have here is just a glorified video game.

Fine, then you build a thinking nerd robot....and while it's analyzing the environment...Rob's or Bill's will cut of your legs and light you on fire.

[Mike White]

Fine, then you build a thinking nerd robot....and while it's analyzing the environment...Rob's or Bill's will cut of your legs and light you on fire.

Not if everyone is playing by the same rules.

But that would be too difficult.

TV audiences can't appreciate a device showing intelligence, they can appreciate sparks, and fly pieces.

So we get a dumbed down version of gladiators.

[billf]

Wait…BiilF is back!!? We officially have TWO bowling Gods!! This is gonna get ugly…have we learned NOTHING from the Thor movies? Two Gods on the planet fighting takes out like 2/3 of a major city. Not to mention the Godzilla series….Japan has been wiped out and rebuilt like 14 times!!!

But still….robots...

Post count means nothing. Now if the system had a way to substract wise cracks, unhelpful or insulting posts then it would be a different story. I love the sport and playing the game but am only a mortal man

[billf]

The surface of the ball going down the lane doesn't change, it's the thickness of the oil between the ball and the lane surface that changes.

In the skid phase, the oil starts out thick enough to cause the equivalent of hydroplaning in your car.

Mike, the ball surface doesn't change...no kidding. Thank you Captain Obvious. So then what you're saying is the drag coefficient of a dull and pearl ball are the same in the skid phase. If that's true and the only reason a ball hooks is because the oil gets thinner as you say then the core would be more important to a ball than surface. Any basic research into ball motion shows surface is the number one factor in ball motion. No PhD required, any person capable of reading with internet access can look it up.

BTW, what the hell happened that you now are such a wise cracking prick? Still have the pro shop? And thanks for never answering my layout PM two years ago, appreciate it.

[Mike White]

Mike, the ball surface doesn't change...no kidding. Thank you Captain Obvious. So then what you're saying is the drag coefficient of a dull and pearl ball are the same in the skid phase. If that's true and the only reason a ball hooks is because the oil gets thinner as you say then the core would be more important to a ball than surface. Any basic research into ball motion shows surface is the number one factor in ball motion. No PhD required, any person capable of reading with internet access can look it up.

And thanks for never answering my layout PM two years ago, appreciate it.

I've never said "the core would be more important to a ball than surface."

In fact I think the core is rather insignificant.

I've thrown a polished Columbia Scout, and it has a pancake core, but for me, the ball hooks a ton.

So clearly it's not the core that makes it hook.

I think what you are overlooking is a dull ball has microscopic mountain peaks, while a shiny ball has microscopic plateaus.

At a given thickness of out, a dull ball will "reach" thru the oil sooner, and therefore enter the hook phase sooner.

But both balls will hydroplane during the skid phase.

Work out the physics of a ball with a normal amount of axis rotation, and rev rate.

If there was friction the moment the ball was set on the lane, one friction related force vector will be in the opposite direction of the movement of the ball, while another will be in the direction of the axis rotation.

Multiply both of those vectors times the coefficient of friction (COF) during the skid phase, and the ball changes the direction of it's path.

For the ball to go straight in the skid phase, the COF during the skid phase must be 0.

As the oil thins out enough for the COF to increase, the force vectors times the COF cause a change in path of the ball.

That transition from the skid phase to the hook phase.

It's determined by ball surface, oil pattern, and ball speed.

In the car world.

A racing slick will hydroplane easier than a tire with tread on it.

A tire will hydroplane if there is sufficient water on the surface of the road.

Finally the car has to be traveling at a high enough speed to achieve the hydroplane state.


As for a PM two years ago, your comment now is the first I've heard of it.

[MICHAEL]

Post count means nothing. Now if the system had a way to substract wise cracks, unhelpful or insulting posts then it would be a different story. I love the sport and playing the game but am only a mortal man

JUST keep it REAL bill,,,, ,,, there is room for all of the above! If posts that were not REAL, were subtracted, there would only be ONE true god..

[Mike White]

Post count means nothing. Now if the system had a way to substract wise cracks, unhelpful or insulting posts then it would be a different story. I love the sport and playing the game but am only a mortal man

JUST keep it REAL bill,,,, ,,, there is room for all of the above! If posts that were not REAL, were subtracted, there would only be ONE true god..

Maybe not even one. But that's a whole other topic.