accepting your release and rev rate...for the long time bowlers out there...

[Tony]

Dick Carter .... brother of Don Carter? possibly the greatest bowler ever!

[Tony]

I'm not sure you folks understand where I'm getting at....I'm talking about long time season house bowlers......

So, if Joe bowler has 10 or 20 years under his belt, you honestly think you can make him gain 50+ more revs without harm to his game or to himself? A classic type bowler can't have the cranker type revs after years of bowling the same way. Sometimes, too much time is spent on the release trying do things their body doesn't allow instead of other parts of the physical game that would benefit the release. If there's issues at the back of the approach and/or anywhere in the approach leading to the release, the release will have issues as well. you all know that... Like I said, having a "good release" is important, not having 50 to 100 more revs than your average rpm's - which is impossible for most to achieve.

I've seen well known and top coaches over the years, all are good, but only one explained it better about the physical game and the release. I'm not the one that said "the release is the last thing to worry about", my coach did..plus, his athletes are winning on tour. Likewise, when I applied my experience in Martial arts (20+yrs) and the job i used to do with pro athletes, it made me wonder a lot about my physical game in bowling. it was only when I met this coach who worked with me, that, what I had pondered about for a year or two before seeing him, he had answered without me asking. To have a good ending, a good beginning is very important.

I can see your point, I have been bowling for a long time and have never tried to get tons of revs on the ball, and see no good reason to try to do that now. Besides the increased strain on the arm/wrist, I don't really see myself bowling on the tour or even tournaments.
I can attest having went to two sessions with a gold coach he has not mentioned doing anything with release as of yet, the first session was mostly posture and approach and the second spare shooting.

Yes I agree more revs could boost my game

[billf]

I've actually worked to cut down my rev rate. Also always work on adjusting axis rotation to be able to change more consistently, seamlessly.
As Mike stated I started working the inside of the ball after reducing my finger pitches. I was too rev dominant. Reducing pitch helped with the hand pain but the revs came back. Staying inside the ball helps to keep my axis rotation down when I move left of the middle.

[foreverincamo]

I'm still fighting whether or not to increase my rev rate, or just say screw it and work on timing, speed control, and consistency. I may just be too old to try to get more revs.

[RobLV1]

I'm still fighting whether or not to increase my rev rate, or just say screw it and work on timing, speed control, and consistency. I may just be too old to try to get more revs.

I hope I never get too old to learn... anything!

[Aslan]

If what you've tried hasn't worked for you, is that proof that it can't work for anyone else?

No. But I play the numbers. If 95% of the PBA Tour works the inside of the ball and only 2% of bad social bowlers do...stats are stats. Yes, everyone is always reminding us that there is no "right way" in bowling...but I don't buy that. I think there IS a right way...but it's like a bullseye target...you can be a little to the right, left, above, below...and still hit the center. But if you get too far AWAY from the "right way"....you'll have problems that will cost you depending on the level you play at.

Who is Dick Carter?
I've heard of Don Carter, Dick Weber, and even Dick Clark, but who is Dick Carter?

Well...I was going to type Dick Weber...but after typing "Dick" I thought Don Carter would be a better option so I typed "Carter". Whats funny is, I bet 70% of the people on the site read that and have no idea that Dick Weber and Don Carter exist...and that Dick Carter is imaginary.

It's sad when a guy has 8 strikes, and 4 spares, and loses to a guy that has 10 strikes, and 2 opens.

I agree totally. But I'm biased because I'm almost always the one that is on the losing side of that scenario.

[Aslan]

I hope I never get too old to learn... anything!

I'm glad I've generally gotten too old for acne.

I'm also one of the rare males that is looking forward to being too old for sex. I think if I got to the age where I just didn't really care about it that much...I'd have a lot more time, money, and effort to do fun stuff....and I'd be able to just dress like a Bum...maybe put on some winter weight....I mean, if you're not trying to impress or land or keep a lady....kinda frees you up to just relax and enjoy life. No more plays, operas, suits/ties outside of work (except weddings and funerals), no need for a nice car, no more having to watch annoying crap like cooking shows, no more potpourri, no more over-priced bar drinks, or jewelry, or that mad last minute scramble to try and find a Valentines Day gift....or a date for Valentines Day...etc... You'd rarely ever have to go to the mall...and NEVER have to go to IKEA or Trader Joes...or eat Tofu...or fondue...or sushi and you get fart all day if ya want...no need to hold it in until you practically have a stomach ache.

So, yeah, I'm looking forward to becoming too old for some things.

[mc_runner]

Going to leapfrog on what Ron Clifton had to say above... up to a season ago, I tried to force revs often. I stopped forcing, started projecting more and coming through the ball, and my revs increased (from about 300 to 350 on the tables that bowl1820 has posted in the past). "try" to put less revs on the ball, and more end up happening... weird how that works :P

[foreverincamo]

RobLV1, sometimes it's not age that limits what we learn. We all have our physical limits and getting more revs may not be in my reach.