Too much up the back of the ball?

[Jessiewoodard57]

did not realize there was an online magazine going to have to look into that. I work in a print shop so I can always print some articles out for Men's library reading

[fokai73]

Honestly, there's nothing wrong to being an end over end roller. Look how many titles WRW has one with playing mostly straight, end over end roll.

Right now, because of the pattern/volume you're bowling on, being end over end maybe be suffice for you. But, when lanes break down or are drier, having a low tilt and rotation can give you issues getting down the lane since your ball is already standing up. Plus, today's bowling ball hook too much already. Companies are making stronger and stronger balls, but lanes and oil don't change that quick. Then you have bowlers who want more revs....

Anyway, it is good idea too to learn to change your axis rotation, add more side roll to your game. Even increasing tilt (spinner) too helps widen your game especially when lanes are dry. You're prolly like WRW at release, what these folks are telling you is be like PDW. That's a good thing.

[billf]

So let's see, I would say you track close to the finger and thumb holes with very little axis rotation. With low tilt and low axis the ball will read the pattern faster. Given that you °said you no longer cup your wrist like you use to (due to age) your rev rate is also lower.
Rev rate= allows for push past the pattern
So with teh same release when younger the increased revs allowed the ball to go further before reading the pattern. Now you need to increase tilt or axis rotation to combat this loss of rev rate. Simple enough.

Instead of releasing with your thumb at 12 and 6 being between the finger holes, as the thumb exits the ball rotateyour hand counter-clockwise to 4:30. This will give you a 45° axis rotation. Once you have this conquered expect to cover more boards.
https://youtu.be/m4NMuITGuGY

[Amyers]

So let's see, I would say you track close to the finger and thumb holes with very little axis rotation. With low tilt and low axis the ball will read the pattern faster. Given that you °said you no longer cup your wrist like you use to (due to age) your rev rate is also lower.
Rev rate= allows for push past the pattern
So with teh same release when younger the increased revs allowed the ball to go further before reading the pattern. Now you need to increase tilt or axis rotation to combat this loss of rev rate. Simple enough.

Instead of releasing with your thumb at 12 and 6 being between the finger holes, as the thumb exits the ball rotateyour hand counter-clockwise to 4:30. This will give you a 45° axis rotation. Once you have this conquered expect to cover more boards.
https://youtu.be/m4NMuITGuGY

Actually this is part of what I don't understand I track nowhere near my finger or thumbholes. I'm closer to a spinner than a full roller by far. I do still have some cup just not the extreme amount I had when younger.

[Mike White]

Actually this is part of what I don't understand I track nowhere near my finger or thumbholes. I'm closer to a spinner than a full roller by far. I do still have some cup just not the extreme amount I had when younger.

According to you: closer to a spinner than a full roller by far.

According to your PSO: too much up the back of the ball and need to come around the ball more.

One of these two are hallucinating.

Do you have any recent video?

[Aslan]

Asian, how about this guy for a bowling coach ? He set a world record bowling backwards / 280

There is SO much wrong with that guy's release/approach/everything....that the video kinda frightens me.

[RobLV1]

According to you: closer to a spinner than a full roller by far.

According to your PSO: too much up the back of the ball and need to come around the ball more.

One of these two are hallucinating.

Do you have any recent video?

One of the rare times that Mike and I agree. Someone is smoking funny cigarettes!

[Amyers]

One of the rare times that Mike and I agree. Someone is smoking funny cigarettes!

No I don't but I might be able to take some tomorrow. I am sure my track is more than 2 inches from the holes though.

[RobLV1]

No I don't but I might be able to take some tomorrow. I am sure my track is more than 2 inches from the holes though.

If your track is more than 2" from the holes, there is no way that you are "too much up the back of the ball." I'm sure that your PSO has the best of intentions, but I think that you need to get some input from a qualified coach (not just a good bowler). You can always post a video of yourself here, or email one to me at robbob5@embarqmail.com, and I'll be glad to take a look. The video should be shot from directly behind you.

[billf]

According to you: closer to a spinner than a full roller by far.

According to your PSO: too much up the back of the ball and need to come around the ball more.

One of these two are hallucinating.

Do you have any recent video?

One of the rare times that Mike and I agree. Someone is smoking funny cigarettes!

Hell must have froze over becasue we are three for three on this. Bonus, you both posted something funny