Too much up the back of the ball?

[Amyers]

http://youtu.be/-jcasCEVZps

We you guys asked for it try not to poke your eyes out or anything. Honestly it's a work in progress but I do think it shows progress since the last videos I uploaded.

[fortheloveofbowling]

From what i could see from pausing it, you are behind the ball when it is at your slide leg. Then you rotate around but not over the top. Looks like a fairly good release to me. You are losing leverage from not using your legs enough. Overall a pretty nice game. Just my 2 cents worth.

[Blacksox1]

• I liked the long black pants and the stylish shirt.
• FTLOB is correct about the leg leverage.
• Your 5 step approach is better than your old 4 step.

[Mike White]

http://youtu.be/-jcasCEVZps

We you guys asked for it try not to poke your eyes out or anything. Honestly it's a work in progress but I do think it shows progress since the last videos I uploaded.

Looks like you have enough axis of rotation to not be considered "Too much up the back", but that doesn't mean you are throwing it exactly the same as what the PSO was commenting about.

It also does not look like a spinner release.

In general the approach looks too stiff.

While you take 5 steps, you're starting the ball late making it mechanically more like a 3 step approach.

That makes you limit the back swing.

The lack of knee bend and shoulder rotation makes you use upper body muscles to get the ball moving forward.

[RobLV1]

Good comments all. The only thing that I will add is that while timing is difficult to see from the rear view, it appears that you are being inconsistent from one shot to the next. The first two shots pictured timing that seems to be earlier than the timing in the third shot, and the results would seem to bear that out. Your release seems to be very consistent from shot to shot, and like many traditional releases, it depends on timing that is slightly later to provide added leverage.

[Amyers]

Looks like you have enough axis of rotation to not be considered "Too much up the back", but that doesn't mean you are throwing it exactly the same as what the PSO was commenting about.

It also does not look like a spinner release.

In general the approach looks too stiff.

While you take 5 steps, you're starting the ball late making it mechanically more like a 3 step approach.

That makes you limit the back swing.

The lack of knee bend and shoulder rotation makes you use upper body muscles to get the ball moving forward.

My comment on the spinner was simply that I was closer to a spinner than a full roller not that I actually was a spinner.

[Amyers]

Good comments all. The only thing that I will add is that while timing is difficult to see from the rear view, it appears that you are being inconsistent from one shot to the next. The first two shots pictured timing that seems to be earlier than the timing in the third shot, and the results would seem to bear that out. Your release seems to be very consistent from shot to shot, and like many traditional releases, it depends on timing that is slightly later to provide added leverage.

You are correct on that third shot. I seem to have an issue with getting a couple of those a game where I'm falling off to the right but it is an improvement from where it used to be on every shot. I try to make sure I am getting the ball moving as soon as that first step hits the floor but I either start late or speed the feet up sometimes that throws it off.

Thanks for looking it is good to hear that I don't have additional release issues that I didn't think that I had at least. I do agree with everyone that the approach is too stiff and that I lack leg involvement but I'm not sure what to do about that so any suggestions would be appreciated.

Unfortunately their isn't much access to coaching here. Their are a few former PBA guys who will give some advice such as the PSO I work with some. We have a couple of WPBA women who are in town occasionally who will give some advice and their is a Senior PBA guy who comes up once a week that does some lessons but as far as certified coaches it's about a 3 hour drive. The only time that's an option is on the weekends and then my kids bowl their leagues on Saturdays so it's pretty much a no go until summer.

[billf]

http://youtu.be/-jcasCEVZps

We you guys asked for it try not to poke your eyes out or anything. Honestly it's a work in progress but I do think it shows progress since the last videos I uploaded.

Much better than you had me anticipating. The release is fine. Definitely not too much behind the ball. In all fairness to your PSO we had video to see in slo-mo, pause, etc. Things are much harder to catch in real time, up close. Keep working on your footwork and timing and the rest will get better with it.

[RobLV1]

You are correct on that third shot. I seem to have an issue with getting a couple of those a game where I'm falling off to the right but it is an improvement from where it used to be on every shot. I try to make sure I am getting the ball moving as soon as that first step hits the floor but I either start late or speed the feet up sometimes that throws it off.
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Interesting comment. It occurs to me that the two shots where your timing was good resulted in light hits, while the third shot with the late timing resulted in a strike. Could it be that you are lining up for your bad shots rather than the good ones? If that's the case, it's almost like subconsciously rewarding yourself for throwing a bad shot. Just something to consider.

[Amyers]

Interesting comment. It occurs to me that the two shots where your timing was good resulted in light hits, while the third shot with the late timing resulted in a strike. Could it be that you are lining up for your bad shots rather than the good ones? If that's the case, it's almost like subconsciously rewarding yourself for throwing a bad shot. Just something to consider.

Anything is possible I guess. I've worked on making adjustments when I think I need too and living with the consequences when I'm wrong and it was just a bad shot. Again better than the alternative. I felt like the three I taped were the 3 out of the 4 bad shots I made over the 2 games. It gets in my head when I'm waiting for someone to video the shot. I need to invest in a camera and tripod so it's not a hassle to do. Can't say I felt like any of the three were me at my best.