Two Important Questions

[Tony]

Best example...Benghazi. In the beginning there was interest in whether or not more could be done and what was done and what should have been done...etc... But, after hearing about it over and over and over on Fox News and right-wing radio...when the general public clearly had lost interest...and then 12+ investigative panels...most concluding there was virtually no wrongdoing...it was clear to see that it was mostly just a way to politically go after the opposing party's front runner for the next election. And once that happened, it became a punch line.

Green Bay Packers Issue An Unbelievable Personnel Statement!

In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers next season.

Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be the starting QB because she had spent 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. Even though she has actually never played football at any level from grade school up and never run the offense of any team or played the game.

During this period of time, she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, the nickel package, and man-to-man coverage, so she is now completely comfortable with all the other terminology involving the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sound idiotic and unbelievable or familiar to you?

Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be the President and 50% of Democrats polled agreed.

She has never run a city, county, or state during her "career" of being Bill Clinton's wife. When told Hilary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the White House, my immediate thought was "So has the pastry chef."

When it comes to running the State Department, her biggest achievement was getting a US Ambassador and 3 other Americans killed, by pretending terrorism had been defeated.

Rather than saying clearly no wrong doing, maybe a better description is the ruling class taking care of their own, instead of prosecuting her for negligence and willful disregard in not upholding the duties of her position and trying to cover it up.

[vdubtx]

Now let's be accurate. When I took my hiatus over two years ago I was over 5,000 posts and had that title long before Michael. He said he would catch me and even being away for two years, he couldn't. But there are NO Gods here. A few stubborn, older men with one bowling in sandals but no Gods.

And your reason for leaving awhile back? He outed you as an imposter who was making up stories about lots of different things ranging from your "prowess" on the lanes to your service or was it stories of your service. I forget if you were writing a book about your combat service or just a fictional account of it.

Like it or not. ICEMAN brought a lot of entertainment to the site. Sometimes it could be a bit much, but he was just having fun with it. He is one thing, passionate. Passionate about his life, his wife and family, his motorcycles and other toys and his bowling.

[fortheloveofbowling]

Green Bay Packers Issue An Unbelievable Personnel Statement!

In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers next season.

Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be the starting QB because she had spent 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. Even though she has actually never played football at any level from grade school up and never run the offense of any team or played the game.

During this period of time, she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, the nickel package, and man-to-man coverage, so she is now completely comfortable with all the other terminology involving the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sound idiotic and unbelievable or familiar to you?

Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be the President and 50% of Democrats polled agreed.

She has never run a city, county, or state during her "career" of being Bill Clinton's wife. When told Hilary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the White House, my immediate thought was "So has the pastry chef."

When it comes to running the State Department, her biggest achievement was getting a US Ambassador and 3 other Americans killed, by pretending terrorism had been defeated.

Rather than saying clearly no wrong doing, maybe a better description is the ruling class taking care of their own, instead of prosecuting her for negligence and willful disregard in not upholding the duties of her position and trying to cover it up.

Thanks Tony.

[Tony]

And your reason for leaving awhile back? He outed you as an imposter who was making up stories about lots of different things ranging from your "prowess" on the lanes to your service or was it stories of your service. I forget if you were writing a book about your combat service or just a fictional account of it.

Like it or not. ICEMAN brought a lot of entertainment to the site. Sometimes it could be a bit much, but he was just having fun with it. He is one thing, passionate. Passionate about his life, his wife and family, his motorcycles and other toys and his bowling.

I certainly agree, he was controversial but it was more fun having him around, than not. It didn't always see things the same way as he did but it did make you think and he usually didn't take my ribbing too seriously.....

[Aslan]

So the fact that a US embassy was overrun and US citizens were killed in that 3rd world piece of s**t is not a problem for you. Someone is at fault for the lack of security.

Guys I think we can do just fine without getting into Benghazi on the bowling site.

Too late for that...

She has never run a city, county, or state during her "career" of being Bill Clinton's wife. When told Hilary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the White House, my immediate thought was "So has the pastry chef."

When it comes to running the State Department, her biggest achievement was getting a US Ambassador and 3 other Americans killed, by pretending terrorism had been defeated.
Rather than saying clearly no wrong doing, maybe a better description is the ruling class taking care of their own, instead of prosecuting her for negligence and willful disregard in not upholding the duties of her position and trying to cover it up.

An Aslan dissertation coming in 3...2...1...

Okay...
1) Yes, the loss of life was tragic. But 60 embassy employees were killed under George W. Bush and I don't remember 14 investigations into any of it. So, if those congressmen are truly concerned about Benghazi...because of the loss of life...then I imagine we can go back to the past embassy attacks and I'm sure they would have the same quest for the truth and vigor to uncover problems right?

But that didn't happen did it? No it did not. And Democrats are no better. They went nuts over the misleading Iraq war intelligence...then were silent over Benghazi. Both sides are hypocrites. The DIFFERENCE is....Bush presided over 60 deaths and a war that killed thousands. Hillary Clinton was just the secretary of state...for a short time...and presided over an event where 4 people died. Numbers are numbers. Facts are facts. And McCarthy even accidentally admitted that the latest Benghazi probes (#13 and #14) were essentially just designed to further reduce Hillary's chances in 2016. To me, that doesn't feel good concerning the people that died. Mistakes get made...people die. It would be nice if politicians were more honest, but they are not...NONE of them..on EITHER side of the aisle. But to have 14 investigations into an issue and do it for political reasons...that doesn't really honor the memories of the fallen.

The Republicans got what they wanted. They have a weakened Hillary Clinton that is now under assault from an even further left Bernie Sanders. They got a possibility that Joe Biden enters the race. Beating an unpopular Hillary in the general election "might" have been a better strategy than introducing the loveable ole Joe who just lost his son or a guy like Bernie Sanders that is going to have massive appeal to younger and poorer voters. But hey...it's not about whats "right"...it's about what "wins". We learned that when George Bush's campaign spread the rumor that John McCain's daughter was illigitmate or when Trump claimed McCain wasn't really a "hero" since he got shot down in the first place. Bush won the presidency and went on to be the worst President in modern times...and now Trump is leading the polls. Further proof that it's not about doing the "right" thing...it's about doing the thing that works.

2) Hilary Clinton was a congresswoman from New York for a time...so your premise that she is simply a wife of a popular President is not entirely true. And Elizabeth Dole won an election when she was simply the wife of a person that lost the Presidency...so it happens.

And your reason for leaving awhile back? He outed you as an imposter who was making up stories about lots of different things ranging from your "prowess" on the lanes to your service or was it stories of your service. I forget if you were writing a book about your combat service or just a fictional account of it.

That's true. And it's a shame...because Bill and Rob and MikeW and Iceman are very interesting, lots of bowling history and knowledge...but most if not all of them at times have had to step back from the site because sometimes it's a little more harsh or a little less welcoming than they'd like it to be. Now, in Bill's defense, it wasn't just Iceman's 20/20 investigation into Bill...it was also Iceman following him around the site throwing it in his face every chance he got...but still. I'm not going anywhere (I don't think)...because my skin is unusually thick. I've taken far worse abuse for far longer on the last site I was on...it virtually rolls right off me now.

Like it or not. ICEMAN brought a lot of entertainment to the site. Sometimes it could be a bit much, but he was just having fun with it. He is one thing, passionate. Passionate about his life, his wife and family, his motorcycles and other toys and his bowling.

I DO miss the passion. I like finding people that have a real passion for bowling. Whether they are good or a newbie...it's just nice and refreshing to see excitement about a game that has been on the decline so long.

Mudpuppy Cliff Notes: I like when my "dissertations" are announced.

[Amyers]

Too late for that...





Okay...
1) Yes, the loss of life was tragic. But 60 embassy employees were killed under George W. Bush and I don't remember 14 investigations into any of it. So, if those congressmen are truly concerned about Benghazi...because of the loss of life...then I imagine we can go back to the past embassy attacks and I'm sure they would have the same quest for the truth and vigor to uncover problems right?

But that didn't happen did it? No it did not. And Democrats are no better. They went nuts over the misleading Iraq war intelligence...then were silent over Benghazi. Both sides are hypocrites. The DIFFERENCE is....Bush presided over 60 deaths and a war that killed thousands. Hillary Clinton was just the secretary of state...for a short time...and presided over an event where 4 people died. Numbers are numbers. Facts are facts. And McCarthy even accidentally admitted that the latest Benghazi probes (#13 and #14) were essentially just designed to further reduce Hillary's chances in 2016. To me, that doesn't feel good concerning the people that died. Mistakes get made...people die. It would be nice if politicians were more honest, but they are not...NONE of them..on EITHER side of the aisle. But to have 14 investigations into an issue and do it for political reasons...that doesn't really honor the memories of the fallen.

The Republicans got what they wanted. They have a weakened Hillary Clinton that is now under assault from an even further left Bernie Sanders. They got a possibility that Joe Biden enters the race. Beating an unpopular Hillary in the general election "might" have been a better strategy than introducing the loveable ole Joe who just lost his son or a guy like Bernie Sanders that is going to have massive appeal to younger and poorer voters. But hey...it's not about whats "right"...it's about what "wins". We learned that when George Bush's campaign spread the rumor that John McCain's daughter was illigitmate or when Trump claimed McCain wasn't really a "hero" since he got shot down in the first place. Bush won the presidency and went on to be the worst President in modern times...and now Trump is leading the polls. Further proof that it's not about doing the "right" thing...it's about doing the thing that works.

2) Hilary Clinton was a congresswoman from New York for a time...so your premise that she is simply a wife of a popular President is not entirely true. And Elizabeth Dole won an election when she was simply the wife of a person that lost the Presidency...so it happens.


That's true. And it's a shame...because Bill and Rob and MikeW and Iceman are very interesting, lots of bowling history and knowledge...but most if not all of them at times have had to step back from the site because sometimes it's a little more harsh or a little less welcoming than they'd like it to be. Now, in Bill's defense, it wasn't just Iceman's 20/20 investigation into Bill...it was also Iceman following him around the site throwing it in his face every chance he got...but still. I'm not going anywhere (I don't think)...because my skin is unusually thick. I've taken far worse abuse for far longer on the last site I was on...it virtually rolls right off me now.


I DO miss the passion. I like finding people that have a real passion for bowling. Whether they are good or a newbie...it's just nice and refreshing to see excitement about a game that has been on the decline so long.

Mudpuppy Cliff Notes: I like when my "dissertations" are announced.

Can't really believe it took you this long to post.

[fortheloveofbowling]

I would be very interested in reading the list of attacks you referenced Aslan.

[Aslan]

I would be very interested in reading the list of attacks you referenced Aslan.

It's easier to post a link. January 2002- September 17, 2008 were under GW's watch.

Looking at the list, I think the reason most people don't realize most of em even happened is that in most embassy and consulate attacks, American civillians/diplomats are usually no hurt/killed. Usually it's just security or staff that work there that aren't US citizens.

The 2006 attack on Karachi killed a US diplomat. The attack on the embassy in Yemen also killed one. But the other 58 were staff, security, etc and weren't necessarily US citizens.

But the list shows that these are regular things that happen. Whether it was Saigon in 1968, Beirut in 1983, Nairobi in 1998, Yemen in 2002...all of which were far deadlier than the attack on Benghazi...the point is we didn't have 14 investigative panels trying to pin the fault on the secretary of state nor the next presidential front runner in the opposing party. Neither Colin Powell nor Condaleeza Rice faced any criticism for embassy or consulate bombings. Both faced heavy criticism for the intelligence errors that led to the Iraq war; and Rice faced some scrutiny for her decisions regarding the use of certain interrogation techniques...but Colin Powell also had a private e-mail as did Clinton...nobody is calling for the FBI to investigate that.

So again, it's not that the lives don't matter or additional measures or even an investigation be called for...but when that investigation leads to possible upgrades or changes to make people safer...that's one thing. But when it's an investigation done over and over and over again 14 times...where the head of the recent ones accidentally admits it was to discredit a popular nominee for President...then we have a "joke" versus a serious issue that needs attention.

After the attack in Saigon, the US fought a war and killed 750,000 Vietnamese soldiers. After the attack in Beirut, they completely re-vamped security measures/procedures all over the World at their embassies and consulates and created 2 government departments. After the attack in Nairobi, the US launched cruise missles at targets in the Sudan and Afghanastan and issued warrants for the Al Queda leadership, most of which were eliminated in the last 9 years, mostly under Obama. Yet in Benghazi...only 4 deaths...and rather than blame those responsible and call for a massive response against our enemies...the Republicans decided time would be better spent to cancel the planned 342nd hearing on the Whitewater scandal...and start a new series of Benghazi investigations. I guess after impeaching Bill didn't work and the 300th investigation into the Kennedy Assasination didn't provide any new details...maybe they're bored. I mean, when you're in Congress with a 13% approval rating and your only claim to fame is that you managed to make the entire government shut down...I guess it's kinda a boring job if you think about it.