Strokers Rant.. (about crankers)

[NewToBowling]

I usually loft it to the break point

[JasonNJ]

I usually loft it to the break point

If I'm lofting that far, I usually take out my cannon and shoot directly at the pin.

[Aslan]

Thanks for the lengthy and insightful response after making a post such as yours. See, I also would like to know how loft helps with carry down seeing how conventional wisdom has those things contradicting one another.

I used to think the further you loft it, the later it will hook. But it greatly depends on HOW you loft it. There is GOOD LOFT and BAD LOFT.

Mika = good loft. It is a loft that simply projects the ball further down the lane without hitting UP on the ball quite so much. This loft can and will usually delay the hook since the ball isn't spending as much time interacting with the lanes (a ball can't hook in the air).

"Bad" loft is more like the urethane era....where you are hitting UP on the ball...coming up the side of the ball. This loft looks more like a catapult versus a cannon. Yes, the ball hook is delayed by the ball lofting out further on the lane...but because you are also hitting more up on the ball...it causes the ball to have greater axis rotation and potentially more rpms...which would lead it to hook earlier.

Mudpuppy Cliff Notes: Good loft hooks later. Bad loft hooks earlier.

[fortheloveofbowling]

I used to think the further you loft it, the later it will hook. But it greatly depends on HOW you loft it. There is GOOD LOFT and BAD LOFT.

Mika = good loft. It is a loft that simply projects the ball further down the lane without hitting UP on the ball quite so much. This loft can and will usually delay the hook since the ball isn't spending as much time interacting with the lanes (a ball can't hook in the air).

"Bad" loft is more like the urethane era....where you are hitting UP on the ball...coming up the side of the ball. This loft looks more like a catapult versus a cannon. Yes, the ball hook is delayed by the ball lofting out further on the lane...but because you are also hitting more up on the ball...it causes the ball to have greater axis rotation and potentially more rpms...which would lead it to hook earlier.

Mudpuppy Cliff Notes: Good loft hooks later. Bad loft hooks earlier.

You may be missing the point of lofting the ball. This is done so the ball will have energy retention and motion at the back of the lane. The loft is done to avoid the burnt fronts so the ball does not burn up and lessen the back end motion. As far as mika goes that was just his normal release because of growing up on very lightly conditioned lanes and having to eliminate the fronts.

[Aslan]

You may be missing the point of lofting the ball. This is done so the ball will have energy retention and motion at the back of the lane. The loft is done to avoid the burnt fronts so the ball does not burn up and lessen the back end motion. As far as mika goes that was just his normal release because of growing up on very lightly conditioned lanes.

I was trying to differentiate between the two lofting styles. One is simply a standard release that "lofts" the ball further out but still in a straight line. Other forms of loft are more "up and down" like a bell curve. That form gets the ball further out onto the lane...but because it's usually at a lower speed, with more axis rotation, and an up the side release....you're actually more likely to have a ball that hooks earlier than hooks later.

Mudpuppy Cliff Notes: Loft outward = good. Loft upwards = bad.

[fortheloveofbowling]

I was trying to differentiate between the two lofting styles. One is simply a standard release that "lofts" the ball further out but still in a straight line. Other forms of loft are more "up and down" like a bell curve. That form gets the ball further out onto the lane...but because it's usually at a lower speed, with more axis rotation, and an up the side release....you're actually more likely to have a ball that hooks earlier than hooks later.

Mudpuppy Cliff Notes: Loft outward = good. Loft upwards = bad.

A up the side release is going to delay back end motion anyway. If you loft it and spin it that really is going to go long.

[Mike White]

I was trying to differentiate between the two lofting styles. One is simply a standard release that "lofts" the ball further out but still in a straight line. Other forms of loft are more "up and down" like a bell curve. That form gets the ball further out onto the lane...but because it's usually at a lower speed, with more axis rotation, and an up the side release....you're actually more likely to have a ball that hooks earlier than hooks later.

Mudpuppy Cliff Notes: Loft outward = good. Loft upwards = bad.

With modern balls loft itself doesn't delay the hook.

It's just about avoiding dry parts of the heads (or the gutter) that would make the ball hook too early.

If there are no dry parts to avoid, loft, and non loft still hooks at the same distance.



This ball hooks as it exits the pattern, even after being lofted 30 down the lane.

[fortheloveofbowling]

Now back in the old days lofting was used more often to delay hook. We did not have equipment then to chase the oil in to 4th and 5th arrow and hit half pocket and carve out tens like today. Then it was used to keep the ball from hooking to early and now it is used for that and help the back end motion.

[Mike White]

Now back in the old days lofting was used more often to delay hook. We did not have equipment then to chase the oil in to 4th and 5th arrow and hit half pocket and carve out tens like today. Then it was used to keep the ball from hooking to early and now it is used for that and help the back end motion.

Back before synthetic lanes, and resin balls, if the heads started hooking, it wasn't because the ball was picking up too much oil, but the lane finish was cracking due to the pounding it received and the oil was soaking down into the wood.

[fordman1]

Is the loft or the three bounces after the loft?

Who is right me or the guy who said I was uninformed? I forgot the question now.