Vise/Turbo fitting tape (back of thumb)

[AlexNC]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone else experience any slip with the thumb when using fitting tape (the hada type precuts for the backside of the thumb). I keep my thumb quite snug, and when I am using the tape vs nothing, I start to experience slip - as if the thumb of the ball is going to come off early. So far I have tried both VISE red and aqua and experience the same thing. if I make my thumbhole anymore snug, i either can't get the thumb in or the tape comes off.

Might be an underlying issue with the reverse pitch on my thumb, but I am going to explore that this weekend.

[jab5325]

This happens to me ALL THE TIME with hada-type products.

The backstory (sorry for going Aslan here):

My thumb has gotten smaller after significant weight loss. As my equipment is currently drilled, the thumb is too big, so I bought the hada stuff to help. Instead, I almost dropped the ball, repeatedly and much more frequently, on my foot. So, off went the hada.

One of the balls I don't use often is a Hammer Saw Blade, new old stock, that I got off of a guy for $50. So, I had my PSO put a smaller urethane slug in it to see if I was "ready" to have my other equipment done. This was a bit too snug, so I again put on hada. While this helped, it's still a bit too small. So now, with my urethane, we're going to go a size between the original and the Saw Blade.

[Amyers]

I have this issue too when I tried using it in the past. When my PSO suggested it to me again he also recommended using a piece of textured white tape on the tape side of the thumb hole to help prevent this. seems to help if not cure the problem.

[SAbowler]

I use the Vise Red Hada strips and have no issue with slippage.

[foreverincamo]

I've used Hada tape and experienced the same issues. Now I only use black tape and only on the side, or sides combined. Nothing front or back.

[vdubtx]

I use blue hada on back of my thumb and white tape in ball on pad side of thumb. It's all a balance to find what fits you best.

Also, having a Vise IT helps to be sure you have consistent feel in all of your balls.

[djp1080]

Alex, I switched to the roll Vise or Storm protection tape. I cut it in a way to go over the end of the thumb and cover both the front and back. Years ago I had either reverse or zero thumb hole pitch. Today I have forward pitch set to 3/8ths. If someone is going to have slip it should be me, but I don't have an issue with that. Also, changed the finger grips to ovals only and I'm using a piece of Hada type tape around the middle finger tip. After reading Ron Clifton's articles on thumb pitch and trying it out I've been able to relax the grip of the ball significantly and allow it to roll off my hand. Consider changing to a more forward thumb pitch and see the difference.

[AlexNC]

Alex, I switched to the roll Vise or Storm protection tape. I cut it in a way to go over the end of the thumb and cover both the front and back. Years ago I had either reverse or zero thumb hole pitch. Today I have forward pitch set to 3/8ths. If someone is going to have slip it should be me, but I don't have an issue with that. Also, changed the finger grips to ovals only and I'm using a piece of Hada type tape around the middle finger tip. After reading Ron Clifton's articles on thumb pitch and trying it out I've been able to relax the grip of the ball significantly and allow it to roll off my hand. Consider changing to a more forward thumb pitch and see the difference.

I also read the Ron Clifton which is leading me to believe the pitch is an issue. My proshop checked my flexibility on my thumb and used the corresponding pitch for my span via the Bill Taylor chart. I tend to have a dry thumb which may also contribute. I plan on having them look at it this weekend.

As for insert tape, maybe I will try white on both sides for the time being per Amyers.

[AlexNC]

So I bowled league tonight and it was raining and warmer than usual. Perhaps I should have thought things out at this point...but I go with the white tape on both sides and it seems all good until warm ups when I am hanging up and lofting out to the arrows lol. I should mention, the white tape from Ebonite has a different texture than the regular white tape from other brands. Either way, it was a struggle and I ended up wasting all of warmup trying to address my thumbhole fit. I ended up using red Vise hada and black tape on the back of my thumbhole - a combination that has normally been slipping but with the humidity it worked.

Also, I think I really dislike the Ebonite ultra grip insert tapes. The white isn't bad on the front, but their black tape is harder and thicker. When I use 3/4 the edges of the tape are uncomfortable. When I try 1" it's not quite pliable to get it in without a struggle.

[bowl1820]

I've been using Storm Thunder tape and haven't really noticed any slipping with it, Now I just got some Black Hada tape so will have to see.

On the White tape one thing I like doing is to get the 1" wide then cut it into strips (depending on need at the time). I think it lets me customize the fit a bit more, like a lot of times I'll put two strips in like a railroad track. It gives me a lot feel and a good grip, but I can come out of it real easy too.