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    Giving away balls to the crowd happens at every PBA event. Normally you just don't see it on TV. I have gone to one event where the players were signing and handing over balls before and after the tapings. All bowlers off the lanes are great guys and will talk to most all of the fans.

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    He hasn't lived in Canada in years. He has been bowling in Ohio since 2010. What is the difference between a Canadian and an American? Canadians get free health care! Aa!

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    Ryan was knocking the pins back with a vengeance the previous game, but Graham just stood up there like Stonewall Jackson and delivered the strikes.

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    Since Graham has been in Ohio the debate has been who is the best left-hander in the State, Shannon Pluhowsky, Graham Fach or Dan Swiger? I know all three but will say victories seperate them at this time. Graham won the proprieter's cup this past year but Shannon's overall record worldwide is unmatched. Dan was a force on tour many years ago until a torn achilles had him choose being a school teacher to pay the bills. Two weeks ago he shot 780 something with a 300 game just three days after left knee surgery. He could easily compete on the PBA50 tour but has zero desire to travel or pactice enough to make it worth his time.

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    Did the PBA check his balls before he won the title? Might have been an illegal ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordman1 View Post
    Did the PBA check his balls before he won the title? Might have been an illegal ball.
    USBC banned the balls not the PBA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vdubtx View Post
    USBC banned the balls not the PBA.
    The PBA uses USBC lists for approval so the balls are banned on the PBA Tour also but the PBA is not removing anyone's titles or anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyers View Post
    The PBA uses USBC lists for approval so the balls are banned on the PBA Tour also but the PBA is not removing anyone's titles or anything


    PBA requires USBC approved balls. The USBC, for USBC events, will not remove anyone's titles (nor should they) since the balls were approved at the time of the competition. The PBA has not, to my knowledge, weighed in.

    1) I find it remarkably conincidental that this happened after two relatively unknown Motiv athletes won titles back-to-back.
    2) The PBA has not commented.
    3) We are "assuming" these players did not know the balls were out of spec.

    That is why we invented ASTERISKS.

    Were the Patriots better than the rest of the league...probably. Then why cheat? Were Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire already awesome hitters before sterioids? Absolutely. But, then why do steroids? Was Lance Armstrong the best cyclist in the World before he did steroids? Yes. But, then why do steroids?

    The key is "intent". I assume Fach and Faulkner didn't know. Maybe even Motiv didn't know. So...definitely not the same thing as the steroids and Patriots stuff.

    * But....what if they did? What if Motiv told their athletes that they were pushing the limits...and technically the balls might be illegal when tested....but nobody ever tests so it's not an issue? What if Graham and Gary knew?

    If the PBA is worth anything...at all....which is argueable...they are going to want to investigate this and put controls in place going forward. If they don't....then this WILL happen again. If they were worth their weight in feathers...and had the least bit of marketing sense (which they don't)...they would turn this into a positive by:

    A) Getting this out in the open to get attention and publicity on bowling. Remember, bad press is often better than no press.
    B) Use this is a spring board to improve ball testing at tournaments.

    If it's found that Motiv knew, then Motiv balls and sponsored athletes should be banned for a year from competition. If the athletes knew, they should be stripped of their titles and winnings, banned from the PBA for 1 year, and their re-instatement subject to a hearing by the PBA. In my opinion, the PBA needs to take a stand and send a clear message..."Use illegal equipment, surface prep, drilling, etc...and you will be held accountable." In this sport, the athletes need to bear the burden of ensuring their equipment is within allowable specifications.
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