Are all Las Vegas centers so easy?

[got_a_300]

A lot depends on when you bowl in each individual center. Red Rock is considered to be the easiest shot in town, earning it the name "The Great Wall of Red Rock." LOL

Okay looks like it is about time for me to make the move to Vegas
and bowl at Red Rock where I can bowl my normal games / average
every once in awhile. LOL!!!!

[Blacksox1]

Below is the list of bowling leagues for the Red Rock Lanes bowling Center in Las Vegas, Nevada. 64 reporting leagues, averaging 168, this is quite high for all league bowlers.

[Blacksox1]

• Gold Coast 179
• Orleans 174
• Sante Fe 166
• Sam's Town 161
• South Point 166
• Suncoast 178
• Texas Station 163
• Stats From LeagueSecretary.com
• Easiest city in the United States Vdubtx

[Blacksox1]

When I bowled it was the evenings of Friday and Monday after about 9pm or so. Leagues had already cleared out and was only open bowling.

Went to check out South Point as that is where Nationals will be. Man that place is way out there. When they mean South Point, that is literal!

Both centers at South Point were laid out pretty similar. There was an ABT tournament going on while we were there in the Arena area. That place is really hopping. Had some convention going on as well as the Off Road races as well.

Nationals in 2017 at South point ? Over the course of the 12-year agreement, USBC will host seven Championship events inside South Point's new bowling tournament facility, including the USBC Women's Championships in 2016, 2020 and 2022 and the USBC Open Championships in 2017, 2019, 2021 and 2023. I will be in the top class 210+, do you need a bowler from Florida to join your group Vdubtx ? PM me.

[RobLV1]

You all need to understand about the Vegas centers and league times. Red Rock is extremely easy for daytime leagues (Rock City Trios - Senior league is the highest scoring league in the house). Nighttime is a different story. The lanes are dressed with 25' of head oil. I bowl on Thursday night in a league that takes up the entire 60 lanes. With 25' of head oil, the lanes are very difficult, and if you happen to bowl on the Rock City Trios lanes (39-60) where EVERYONE plays ten board, the lanes are very difficult, unless you are a high rev player who can take advantage of the unlimited wall. The toughest house in the valley is Santa Fe Station - two years ago, Ron Mohr told me he practiced there each week for that very reason. SunCoast and Orleans feature 37' patterns where seniors who can't hook the ball think that they can. Gold Coast, where everyone thinks that there is heavy oil is actually tighter than most for the simple fact that they have the oldest lanes in the city with less back end friction than bowlers are used to seeing. The fairest shot in the valley is at Southpoint, unless you happen to bowl one of the very high averaging leagues where high rev PBA titlests rip up the pattern, making fast, on the fly moves imperative for success.

[Blacksox1]

Las Vegas bowling has a great advantage when it comes to humidity, rarely above 20 percent. Casino entrances are not close at all to the lanes. Usually in Las Vegas you travel at least a 100 yards, or more, that takes you to an elevator, or escalator, that takes you up, or down at least one floor to the bowling center. The rest of us might have to deal with rain, snow, sleet, and high humidity. In Texas maybe all four. Anywhere else in the USA, with multiple exits and ceiling fans, multiply the discomfort factor. Casinos keep the temperature and humidity within strict guidelines, due to slots and electronics. Bowling centers across the United States look to save money anywhere they can, Utilities expense are a great concern.

I travel to Las Vegas, 3 or 4 times a year. Bowlers there, may not know how good they have it. But I do.

[fortheloveofbowling]

Las Vegas bowling has a great advantage when it comes to humidity, rarely above 20 percent. Casino entrances are not close at all to the lanes. Usually in Las Vegas you travel at least a 100 yards, or more, that takes you to an elevator, or escalator, that takes you up, or down at least one floor to the bowling center. The rest of us might have to deal with rain, snow, sleet, and high humidity. In Texas maybe all four. Anywhere else in the USA, with multiple exits and ceiling fans, multiply the discomfort factor. Casinos keep the temperature and humidity within strict guidelines, due to slots and electronics. Bowling centers across the United States look to save money anywhere they can, Utilities expense are a great concern.

I travel to Las Vegas, 3 or 4 times a year. Bowlers there, may not know how good they have it. But I do.

Averaging 230 for your last 42 games i'm guessing you are not bowling in a dungeon.

[Blacksox1]

Averaging 230 for your last 42 games i'm guessing you are not bowling in a dungeon.

No dungeon, but high humidity, automatic doors that open all the time, ceiling fans, owners who like to save on energy use.

The Haywire that I won here, thanks for the give-aways, and a new layout, have made a big difference. If I were in Las Vegas, who knows, at least the inside temp would be 72, or less, completely dry with ultra low humidity, maybe I could reach my full potential.

[Aslan]

One thing I thought was interesting:

My first league on wood lanes; swept in Vegas at the Orleans: Suddenly 190+ average bowlers bowled in the 130s to 160s and were miserable.

My second league, they replaced woods with new synthetics, everybody's averages dropped, they learned how to bowl on synthetics, then swept in Vegas (Orleans again), and did better than they did at the home center.

My third league is the easiest house in Orange County. We swept in Vegas at Gold Coast and everyone did horribly and were pis$ed.

My 4th league sweeps at South Point in May...and the home center is a very old center with very old lanes...a ton of constant changes and differences between lanes, etc... It'll be interesting to see how people do.

So back to my previous point...how easy/hard Vegas is depends almost entirely on how you bowl and what you're used to. If you bowl in an easy center, on easier patterns, and then go to Vegas...it's gonna be a shock to the system. If you're used to bowling on tough conditions, Vegas won't seem any harder and may even seem easier...especially if you usually bowl on inconsistent conditions. One good thing about Vegas is the conditions may be hard or easy...but they keep their lanes in good shape, their machinery in good condition, and have knowledgeable staff. Those casinos are constantly hosting important bowling events and can't risk a reputation of having garbage lanes, etc...

And on variable that Blacksox didn't consider...is the level of talent bowling in Vegas. Many PBA bowlers, USBC coaches, and PBA50 guys LIVE in and around Vegas and bowl in those leagues. Obviously, that's going to bump up league averages a bit. I've bowled sanctioned leagues in 3 different houses in Orange County...and the only time I've bowled against "real talent" I can count on one hand. And most of them are no higher in status than a Bronze certified Pro Shop owner or a low-level regional ball rep. Even in tournaments, I can count on one hand how many regional pros have showed up. Orange County has a ton of centers...so talent is spread around. Between Northern LA, Southern LA, Orange County, and the Inland Empire...there's probably almost 75 sanctioned centers. Vegas has relatively few...so the talent is going to be more concentrated...and that should mathematically lead to higher league averages. IMO.

[NewToBowling]

Been to Vegas but never bowled there. Looks like none of these big bowling alleys are on the Strip. Just a bit off like the Orleans or extreme off like South Pointe