sore fingers

[NewToBowling]

Isn't Matt McNeil a PBA pro now?

[JohnN]

Picked up my ball today. What a difference. Shorter span and less pitch. Threw a practice game and was still getting good roll. Felt like I could actually get a little better grip with the fingers. Dropped off the Thug Unruly and the Guru Supreme for the same.

[Mike White]

That's why I don't like forward pitch for the fingers. A lot of bowlers have this finger position and pitch /| instead of having ||....

/ - finger pad
| - finger pitch

Low budget illustration lol

Someday, someone will invent a way to photocopy the image we have in our mind.

[RobLV1]

I don't think Matt McNeil should be lowered into the same category as the 5 amateurs that just set the team record.

Matt I believe has won 1 or more events at Nationals, where as of the 5 amateurs, I was able to identify 3 who have bowled at nationals.

While their home averages are 220 -> 240, their national averages were 170 -> 190.

I'm pretty sure 170 -> 190 is going to be far below Matt McNeil's Nationals average.

But I couldn't find any info about Matt on Bowl.com.

The connection to the original question was according to Rob, the fingers wouldn't hurt if the OP was properly playing the modern game of bowling where you don't lift the ball. Which is crap, because if you don't lift even resin ball, it dies.

This comes from Rob not understanding what lift really is.

Lift is just another way of saying apply torque to the finger holes to increase revs compared to just dropping the ball and requiring friction to create revs.

Since the fingers are supposed to be below the center of the ball with the release begins, torque is applied in an upward direction, and therefore known as lift.

But torque is a physics term, which is WAY over Rob's head.

Oh, yes, those physics terms are WAY over my head, however, how is it that I get dozens upon dozens of emails each year from bowlers thanking me for helping them to develop a modern release by learning to do NOTHING to the ball? I may not understand all of the psychics terms that Mike understands, but neither am I forced to throw plastic and urethane spare balls for my strike shots like Mike does for the simple reason that he still thinks you have to "lift" the ball. Welcome back, Mike! You've had your 15 minutes, so please crawl back under your rock and let these people get some information that is actually helpful to them, rather than just your outdated opinion. Bowling is not going back to the glory days of the eighties, so please GET OVER IT!

[Mike White]

Oh, yes, those physics terms are WAY over my head, however, how is it that I get dozens upon dozens of emails each year from bowlers thanking me for helping them to develop a modern release by learning to do NOTHING to the ball? I may not understand all of the psychics terms that Mike understands, but neither am I forced to throw plastic and urethane spare balls for my strike shots like Mike does for the simple reason that he still thinks you have to "lift" the ball. Welcome back, Mike! You've had your 15 minutes, so please crawl back under your rock and let these people get some information that is actually helpful to them, rather than just your outdated opinion. Bowling is not going back to the glory days of the eighties, so please GET OVER IT!

Those emails are from people who think you helped them, but it was the wall of oil that helped them.

If I remember even Aslan gave you praise after getting a lesson or two, and how has that actually worked out for him?

It sounds like I teach (hands on) more people than you how to play the modern game.

I don't teach people how to throw the ball like I do, because they prefer the easy way to score, which is pay $1000 for a few balls, then bounce them along the wall of oil.

What I'm not interested in doing is turning my strong release into a weak release just so I can then pay $1000 for a few balls when I can get the same number of low end balls for $150.

Yeah my scores might go up if I could constantly throw the ball like crap, but what value do high scores on walled conditions have?

You have what $2000-$3000 worth of equipment and struggle to average 180-190 on a house condition, how well do they work for you on a condition like Nationals.

Well now that Bowl.com includes that information we don't have to take your word for it, we can look it up.

USBC Open Championships 129 9

129 average for 9 games.

Ouch, maybe you should try using plastic, it would be hard to do worse with it.

You like to use age as an excuse for poor bowling, but do you have any evidence of ever not poor bowling, at any age?

[bowl1820]

This thread can stop now