Pinpal stats: What to strive for

[classygranny]

I don't think that'll count as "contributing" per the ball giveaway rules. You might need to most one more time this week.

It contributed as much as most of the posts I read this week. But just in case you are right, here's my one more post. (:>

And back to the stats (yes, those past numbers - that some people use as goals). What do you think should be a goal for a first ball average for someone wanting to obtain a 200 average. And along with that, what should the open % be?

[Mike White]

It contributed as much as most of the posts I read this week. But just in case you are right, here's my one more post. (:>

And back to the stats (yes, those past numbers - that some people use as goals). What do you think should be a goal for a first ball average for someone wanting to obtain a 200 average. And along with that, what should the open % be?

In the past, if you made 40% strikes you were looking good, and when you didn't strike, the mistake was fairly minor, so your average pin count was probably 9.2 or so.
The important thing is missing a single pin spare was like committing a crime.

Now you see strike percentages are higher, but since there is so much help by the oil, to not strike usually means the shot was so bad even the oil couldn't help it back, so you see more 6-7 counts.
And spare shooting is a lost art.

So averaging 200 the old way, pin count average 9.2, opens maybe 1 per night so according to the stats that would be 1/30 or 3% opens.

The new way you could probably get away with an 8.8 pin count average, and 3 to 4 opens per night for 10-13%, as long as your strike % is north of 55%

The stat program doesn't seem to count opens per spare attempts, just opens per frame.

[Aslan]

It contributed as much as most of the posts I read this week. But just in case you are right, here's my one more post. (:>

That's why I've posted 5200 times. Granted, 96% are useless...but I figure 4% will qualify me to win a ball.

And back to the stats (yes, those past numbers - that some people use as goals). What do you think should be a goal for a first ball average for someone wanting to obtain a 200 average. And along with that, what should the open % be?

Rule #1: Don't listen to Mike. All his advice is based on how bowling sucks nowadays and he wants to invent a time machine. Granted, a time machine would be cool...but highly unlikely.

Where Mike's advice is incorrect is his assumption that nowadays everyone should all average 225 and if they don't, they're horrible. Granted....he barely averages 200...but that's not the point. The POINT is...there certainly is a difference between a pocket hit that leaves a 10-pin or 7-pin or 6-10....and a shot through the nose that leaves a 7-pin or a 4-pin or a 4-7.

If you watch the pros...watch what they leave. It's X, X, X, X , X, 10-pin, X, 7-pin, X, X, X, X.

What you don't see is 1-2-4, 5-pin, 1-2-8, 1-2-4-7, 2-4-5, etc... Most 200 average bowlers I've seen fit into one of two categories:

1) Power, high rev, thumbless, palm bowlers that generate a poo ton of revs and just spin it to the breakpoint. As long as they are fresh and the conditions are fresh...they strike a lot...and even thought their spare shooting is sub-par (usually)...they can average around 200.

2) Strokers and Tweeners that know the house they are bowling in...they know the line to play...they know how to adjust...they are very consistent...and excellent spare shooters. They usually can't string enough strikes together to be higher than 250...but they almost are 180+.

While both these groups are drastically different...the one thing they have in common is they don't leave a lot of multi-pin spares that aren't splits. A LOT of pocket hits that leave a 10-pin or 7-pin. Group #1 "sometimes" leaves weird leaves...if they screw up....because of the often times crazy entry angles they get...but I'd say both these groups probably have a first ball average between 8.9 and 9.2.

The problem with first ball average is it doesn't give you much information other than you are consistently around the headpin. You may have a horrible shot....horrible form....bad carry...all kinds of bad things...but if you can get around that head pin...your first ball average won't suck.