Chill out I was trying to make a point. The rule is unrealistic. I say go ahead and protest if you feel that strongly. Do you still have to bowl within 40 pins of your avg. to win points?
Silly me. I was assuming some integrity on your part in this hypothetical situation! I guess I would have to figure out a way to get at least part of my team to show up to be where we had committed to be in the first place.Originally Posted by fordman1
Chill out I was trying to make a point. The rule is unrealistic. I say go ahead and protest if you feel that strongly. Do you still have to bowl within 40 pins of your avg. to win points?
The 40 pin rule (4 person team) comes into effect if the team doesn't make up, and is declared a forfeit.
Also, it shouldn't be worded as "within 40 pins of average", it should be "40 pins below average, or better"
imagine a team that shoots 45 pins over average. They're not "within 40 pins of average".
As for a protest, if it goes to the association it will probably be upheld, mainly because someone representing Rob's team will be there to represent their case, but usually no one is interested enough to represent an opposing position.
Therefore the association tends to go with the "evidence" presented, and not do any real investigation of their own.
However, if someone represents the opposition and shows that the league has set a precedence of not enforcing the rule, the association is likely to deny the protest.
Good thread Rob. I am not a fan of allowing post bowling or make ups for any reason. If for some reason a majority of team members were involved in an auto accident while car pooling, while driving to normal league night and time. Well that would make a difference, and I could see a post bowl. Some angle shooters will use everything for an edge. I have seen many tried in Vegas. Rob if you think, shenanigans are involved, by all means protest.
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It's really not a matter of thinking that "shenanigans" are involved. If anything, I tend to be too trusting of people's intentions. It's more a matter of drawing attention to a situation that has gotten really out of control with teams being allowed to miss any time they just don't feel like showing up. The rule about contacting the opposing team captain was put into place to discourage teams from missing unnecessarily, but the rule has not been enforced, or even noticed for that matter, by the league secretary. Until someone points out that the rule is there, it will continue to be ignored by league bowlers and officers alike.
I'm with you on the post / makeup bowling, it should not be allowed at all. Some of the leagues I have been in have a simple "No post bowling allowed" they also have limits on prebowling, one league has a limit of 3 times per season for a person. The other one doesn't and we are constantly bowling against pre bowlers, it certainly changes the complexion of the game and some people seem to bowl much better when there is no distractions, ribbing, or stress of making the shot under pressure.
I must confess these posts always befuddle me a bit...
I though league bowling was supposed to be fun. Seems like a lot of people get all bent out of shape about rule violations. I mean...it's a local bowling league, yes?
They didn't seem to be bent out of shape due to violations, until it effected them directly.
Apparently they are beginning to take the rule seriously. We were just contacted by the league with an offer to throw out our scores from Thursday, a bowl the other team head-to-head tomorrow morning. Oh, and by the way, we have been concerned by the rate of absences for the entire year. This was just the first time that it affected us directly so that we could bring it up to the league.
Oh, dear, you haven't bowled in Milwaukee, have you?
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