Rev Dominant or Hi Track Tips to Improve

[bobforsaken]

I try to keep no more than 15 boards between the instep of my left foot and my target AT THE DOTS. Any more than this, and l have to really concentrate on not walking to the right. Example: Standing 28, I will target 13 at the dots.

Wow.. 28 to 13 at the dots! Looks like I need to get more comfortable playing steeper angles. Last night allowed myself to work that 2to1 ratio of standing board and target at the arrows.. I also focused on keeping my grip pressure down and getting my speed up. Ended up with a decent night bowling only my second 600 series in 2016. I stayed with the Ride all night 22 to 11, 24 to 12.. 26 to 13 etc..

[1VegasBowler]

I try to keep the instep of my left foot 10-15 boards left of my target and target the dots.

I have always targeted the dots and you can pretty much see me looking down at the foul line like Wes Mallot does.

[RobLV1]

It sounds like more of a drilling issue that is making your equipment so aggressive.

I too am rev dominant with a speed of about 14mph. However, my DV8 Vandal is drilled pin up with a 60x5x30 and it eats up a THS targeting the 10 board.

And if the lanes are burned out, I can go 30 to 10 and hit the pocket darn near every time.

If you're leaving a lot of 4 pins then the ball is hitting the head pin too high, and depending on the lane conditions, you might want to get your target to the right by anywhere from 2-4 boards.

I hate to disagree, but after having seen you bowl, I can say with assurance that you are NOT rev dominant. On the contrary, throwing 12 lb. bowling balls, you are totally speed dominant and a drilling issue NEVER makes a ball too aggressive, unless the ball was too aggressive to begin with. Just sayin'.

[fordman1]

Do 12 lb. balls even have a weight block. I have asked for advice on here a few times and after looking into profiles I think I will not ask much more. I don't need advice from a bowler who throws a 12 lb. ball off the corner.

[JasonNJ]

Do 12 lb. balls even have a weight block. I have asked for advice on here a few times and after looking into profiles I think I will not ask much more. I don't need advice from a bowler who throws a 12 lb. ball off the corner.

I think it depends on the manufacturer and the ball. Storm will use a generic weight block for under 14 lbs, and depending on the ball and manufacturer they may just use a old pancake block. The one ball I know that uses the same core regardless of weight is the Ebonite Cyclone.

[Amyers]

I hate to disagree, but after having seen you bowl, I can say with assurance that you are NOT rev dominant. On the contrary, throwing 12 lb. bowling balls, you are totally speed dominant and a drilling issue NEVER makes a ball too aggressive, unless the ball was too aggressive to begin with. Just sayin'.

I have no idea if Vegas bowler is speed or rev dominant but I will somewhat disagree with you on the drilling thing. For a bowler who is balanced speed and rev wise it may be hard to put a drilling on a ball that completely won't perform. For bowlers who are speed or rev dominate though it is relatively easy to produce a ball that won't perform adequately by drilling. I could probably double thumb the least aggressive ball on the market and it would still roll out on me before hitting the pins with my lower speed it's just way to early for me. My wife who tends to be more speed dominate isn't going to perform well with a drilling that promotes length even on a pretty aggressive ball. on a lot of patterns it will just never get into a roll for her.

Add in the fact that many bowlers tend to have a preferred sweet spot area they are most comfortable bowling in the correct drilling can allow that bowler to play that area of the lane or play it longer than they could with a different drilling. Cover stock, surface and core are always going to be the biggest factors in where and how a ball rolls best but the correct drilling for your stats and where you tend to play the lanes can make a ball that is a marginal fit work and a good fit work longer. Does that mean I can go drill a Grudge or some super early ball no but it can make some balls a little more useful for me. I've learned enough to buy balls that fit my game but for average joe bowler who buys a ball because it looked good when Tommy Jones threw it or they like that color or that one smells nice it's an important tool.

[Amyers]

Do 12 lb. balls even have a weight block. I have asked for advice on here a few times and after looking into profiles I think I will not ask much more. I don't need advice from a bowler who throws a 12 lb. ball off the corner.

What difference does it make what weight he throws? If he's a high average bowler and understands the game does it make his advice worth less because he throws 12 lbs. balls? I have no idea about him he hasn't been on here that long yet but I wouldn't weigh someone's advice by the weight of the ball they throw or even really the average they hold. Weigh the advice on if they make a salient point that applies to your game. I've seen a lot of bowlers with physical issues that cause them to throw lower weight balls and I've seen a lot of guys who may not hold the highest average but understand the game. I've also seen many high average bowlers who have absolutely no understanding of the game and exist on pure physical ability that many of us will never have. If something is just wrong is gets disputed in here pretty quickly.

[1VegasBowler]

Do 12 lb. balls even have a weight block. I have asked for advice on here a few times and after looking into profiles I think I will not ask much more. I don't need advice from a bowler who throws a 12 lb. ball off the corner.

12 pounders do not have weight blocks.

And to judge me because I throw 12 pound balls shows how you are uninformed about a person and their limitations.

I have had 4 surgeries on my right shoulder, with one of those being major where I had to have my bicep tendon detached and then reattached to my arm with a screw. I have lost 30% of the strength and motion in my shoulder because of this, and I still have issues with it.

I've had to make adjustments to my entire game and the ball weight is just one of them.

I certainly don't profess the be the best out here and never will, but I do know a thing or 2 about bowling sir.

And to show you how misinformed you are, I do not throw off of a corner. On a THS I play the 10 board like most everybody else does. I am also very capable of moving myself to the left to adjust to the transitioning of the lanes.

Then again, you must be a Hall Of Famer with the PBA and/or the USBC to pass judgement on somebody and their abilities.

OR maybe you're just a legend in your own mind and you've been snubbed by the Hall Of Fames because of your self perceived greatness and abilities.

I have no such illusions. I love to bowl and try to do the best I can every time I go out there. And like everybody else, some days I'm the dog, and some days I'm the fire hydrant.

But to be the judge and jury of a person who can not throw a heavy ball is ignorant to facts. But that really doesn't matter to you does it?

Clint Eastwood said it best many years ago as Dirty Harry. Mans got to know his limitations.

[1VegasBowler]

What difference does it make what weight he throws? If he's a high average bowler and understands the game does it make his advice worth less because he throws 12 lbs. balls? I have no idea about him he hasn't been on here that long yet but I wouldn't weigh someone's advice by the weight of the ball they throw or even really the average they hold. Weigh the advice on if they make a salient point that applies to your game. I've seen a lot of bowlers with physical issues that cause them to throw lower weight balls and I've seen a lot of guys who may not hold the highest average but understand the game. I've also seen many high average bowlers who have absolutely no understanding of the game and exist on pure physical ability that many of us will never have. If something is just wrong is gets disputed in here pretty quickly.

Thank you for this sir. I was doing my reply when you posted yours..lol

After being away from this game for 25 years plus, I had to learn how to bowl all over again and this past winter season is the first I have bowled competitively since.

At my time of return in November of 2014 I had not touched a ball or been in an alley for those 25 years. I actually came back as a coach for a high school team. A school that had not won any kind of an award since they started bowling in 2006.

As a sub teacher and a coach, I had to do what needed to be done to help these kids and until i got my own equipment they didn't really listen to me very much. Being a teacher and coach is all about trying to educate. If they're not willing to learn, then there's nothing you can do.

Once I got my own equipment I was able to bowl with them and show them what I was explaining, and it paid off. They really started to pay attention and it was great to see. Heck, they even called me during their Christmas break to join them at the bowling alley. That was an honor I won't forget.

They went from dead last to finishing 3rd in the league, and ended up second overall in the County Championships, I had 1 kid who was First Team all County and state, and I had a kid on Second Team All County. These kids also ended up being 4th in the State Championships.

My kid who made First Team lost the Championship by 2 pins. It was heartbreaking for us, but he gave it all he could. He just ran out of gas.

For them to aquire this hardware for the first time in 8 years was a true testament to those kids.

All I could do was show them how to to do it. They were the ones who had to execute it and they did. They deserve all of the credit in the world for how they came back and got so good.

It was this group of kids that inspired me to return to bowling after 25 years.

[fokai73]

I keep two layouts on all of my symmetrical core balls. Depending what I want to achieve in the front, middle, and end of the pattern, I use other adjustments... I don't concern myself with layouts. it's over rated some times.