What I Don't Understand about the USBC

[Jessiewoodard57]

I would like to see our house just go to the US open pattern ..I already bowl lousy but that would love to have that to work with

[fordman1]

1st off if any league went to a USBC shot without prior notice the league would fold in 2 weeks.

My 24 team 5 member league has more people at our organizational meeting than the largest local assn. yearly meeting in the country.
Just about everybody is at the year end meeting where officers are elected for next year. Payoff night with free beer and pizza.

Want to bowl on tougher patterns join a PBA or sport league.

Any time you have bowlers who design the shot for the USBC open tournament have a year to practice on it you are throwing away your money. It is for Pro or Semi pro bowlers. The rest are just having a bowling vacation.

[billf]

Oil patterns need to be tightened up. Most THS are now 9:1. Sport shot can't be higher than 3:1. Why not cut the difference in half and make a certfied house shot 6:1? If I had my way I would also make it flat and run from the 3 board to the 3 board rather than 8 to 8 as most are now.

[1VegasBowler]

I would like to see our house just go to the US open pattern ..I already bowl lousy but that would love to have that to work with

I don't see this happening unless you're in a Sport league.

This is a heavy oil pattern that even the pros have issues with, and by making this as a house shot would spell disaster for those who don't so Sport patterns. You would lose bowlers in droves.

[1VegasBowler]

Oil patterns need to be tightened up. Most THS are now 9:1. Sport shot can't be higher than 3:1. Why not cut the difference in half and make a certfied house shot 6:1? If I had my way I would also make it flat and run from the 3 board to the 3 board rather than 8 to 8 as most are now.

While I agree that the THS needs to be tightened up, going to a 6:1 ratio right away is another recipe for disaster.

I say keep the ratio at 9:1 but make it a little flatter by going 5 to 5 and having the heavier oil going just a little bit longer.

[1VegasBowler]

1st off if any league went to a USBC shot without prior notice the league would fold in 2 weeks.

My 24 team 5 member league has more people at our organizational meeting than the largest local assn. yearly meeting in the country.
Just about everybody is at the year end meeting where officers are elected for next year. Payoff night with free beer and pizza.

Want to bowl on tougher patterns join a PBA or sport league.

Any time you have bowlers who design the shot for the USBC open tournament have a year to practice on it you are throwing away your money. It is for Pro or Semi pro bowlers. The rest are just having a bowling vacation.

Couldn't agree more with this!

Currently I'm doing a Sport league where they're using Viper, Scorpion and Cheetah, and while they aren't all too bad, they are not easy by any means.

By adding these patterns to or as a THS, bowlers will leave in a hurry because they are not prepared for what these patterns can do to you.

Even I had enough sense to get a ball and have it drilled to handle Sport patterns, but not everybody can do that. Bowling is expensive to begin with and by forcing bowlers to by equipment they don't want to have is going to push them away.

[fordman1]

What would make the shot harder for league bowlers going out to the 5 board or going to 6 to 1 or even 3 to 1?

[1VegasBowler]

What would make the shot harder for league bowlers going out to the 5 board or going to 6 to 1 or even 3 to 1?

Because a lot of league bowlers (from what I've seen) don't know how to handle a lot of oil. Heck, they can't handle the transition on a THS and to expect them to adjust to a larger of volume of oil won't bode well.

Now, I'm not saying all of the bowlers wouldn't be able to adjust, but the ones who can't will go away.

I know plenty of bowlers who are pretty darn good on a THS, but will not go anywhere near Sport patterns because of their egos, and that same ego will get hurt for quite a while until they know how to make adjustments.

While going to a 3:1 ratio over time might not be a bad thing, I just think that it has to be done gradually. JMO.

[Mike White]

What would make the shot harder for league bowlers going out to the 5 board or going to 6 to 1 or even 3 to 1?

It's not just the 3 to 1 that makes sport conditions more difficult for most people, it's the minimum of 10 units.

Also the fact that the lanes are measured each time, so that 10 unit rule can't be ignored.

On a THS, there is supposed to be 3 units minimum, but since they are never inspected, you get a lot of boards at or close to 0 units.

If they gave THS bowlers a 3 to 1 conditions, but with a 3 unit minimum, many could still score well.

The biggest problem that a THS bowler runs into when trying sport bowling, is their ball won't rev up on 10 units of oil, so it just skids thru the back ends.

Oiling out to the 5 board hurts people who don't think about what could be different.

10 board works last time, it should work this time, so they never move.

If you stay at 10 board, on a 5 to 5 shot, it's like staying at 15, on a 10 to 10 shot, the ball won't rev up.

If you can convince people to move, 5 to 5 is just as easy as 10 to 10.

[fordman1]

I am not as smart as many here but unless you are a down and in player as opposed to one who likes to belly the ball a bit playing 10 is much easier than playing 5. Playing 5 the gutter looks like the grand canyon to some bowlers. Playing 10-15 they can relax. Every one seems to thing every one wants to go bowl for blood.