RADICAL New Scoring System

[Mike White]

Here is the answer to this from Kathy at the USBC office in Texas.

If at anytime a Standard league uses a Sport pattern at anytime during league play they must be certified as a Sport League because the conditions have drastically changed and affects the averages of bowlers from 10-30 pins.

If a league member complains to the local USBC that the league is using a Sport pattern during league play, the local USBC must have that league changed to be certified as a Sport league.

If anybody wants to call the USBC as I did, their number is 800-514-2695. From the options menu go to Rules. Again, I spoke with Kathy about this.

Classic USBC, they gave you an opinion, but no specific rule.

With no rule, they can't enforce that opinion.

[fordman1]

Maybe your leagues should adopt rules like my league uses.
Any new bowler to the league uses the highest book average from the last 3 years
Bowlers with at least 21 games from last year will use the final league average.
If a returning bowler has less than 21 games they are a new bowler.
All bowlers new or returning use a 21 game cushion. They start as if they have already bowled 21 games.
After they actually have 21 games bowled we drop the cushion.
There is a 10 pin drop rule. No bowler can drop more than 10 pins no matter what.
No individual h\c it is all team and it is 90% from 1100 for all teams.
If your team is bowling a team that is forfeiting or a vacant team, your team must bowl within 50 pins of its avg. or you lose the points. Absent or vacant teams can under no circumstances earn points.

I forgot to add that if 2/3's of the board of directors think you are sandbagging the league will rerate your average.

[1VegasBowler]

Maybe your leagues should adopt rules like my league uses.
Any new bowler to the league uses the highest book average from the last 3 years
Bowlers with at least 21 games from last year will use the final league average.
If a returning bowler has less than 21 games they are a new bowler.
All bowlers new or returning use a 21 game cushion. They start as if they have already bowled 21 games.
After they actually have 21 games bowled we drop the cushion.
There is a 10 pin drop rule. No bowler can drop more than 10 pins no matter what.
No individual h\c it is all team and it is 90% from 1100 for all teams.
If your team is bowling a team that is forfeiting or a vacant team, your team must bowl within 50 pins of its avg. or you lose the points. Absent or vacant teams can under no circumstances earn points.

I forgot to add that if 2/3's of the board of directors think you are sandbagging the league will rerate your average.

Is it the board of directors or the league officers? Just asking for clarification.

[fordman1]

Board.

[fordman1]

I forgot to add that anyone who doesn't have any average to use (hasn't bowled in 3 years or ever) must come in at 195 for 9 games. Then get what ever average they have so far.

[LOUVIT]

Fordman, I haven't had an average for over 20 years, so if I join a handicapped league my first few weeks are me at a 195 average? Did I understand it correctly? That's giving away alot of pins on the handicap if I really only shoot 150's...just an example

[1VegasBowler]

In the 2 leagues I was in this past winter, I established my average after my 3 games on night #1 since I did not have an average.

With the PBA Experience league, unless you have bowled in a Sport league, your average is established after your first 4 games in night #1. They certainly fluctuate a lot because they are a Sport pattern. And because we change patterns every 4 weeks, you can never get comfortable on one before the other..lol

First 4 are Viper, next 4 are Scorpion and final 4 will be Cheetah. The night of sweepers is Cheetah as well, but will have zero bearing on your average.

The league rules are setup by each league and they can pretty much do as they please.

[fordman1]

Lou the only new bowlers are the friends or relatives who bowl just to help out someone. Mostly as subs, 6th, 7th, 8th man. There are better leagues for bowlers who are just coming back or have never been. We get maybe 4 or 5 a season. That's out of 184 bowlers who certified in my league.

The 195 is around the league average that is where the number originally came from about 10-15 years ago.

[billf]

1.) I am handicapped. I bowl for fun and while most all leagues have some kind of prize fund.
2.)I'd prefer to see all leagues drop the average as being from the start of the league. Make your average be for the last three weeks only. It reduces the ability of one to use a bad week against an opponent to hold their average lower , and when the bowl great against a tough opponent their average will jump up in relation to what they bowl.
While many complain about how often a lower average team beats them USBC has stated that at 80 % handicap. The higher average team still wins 95% of the time.
3.) I'd prefer to see leagues make the teams. Not player derived. You join and the league will set the team in a way to make all teams within a closer average.
4.) That would make the teams closer both scratch and the handicap would almost not matter.
5.) And your average would be based on your last highest average on the same pattern. So if your bowling on a sport shot and ths the one your going to play on is used.
6.) Your average cannot drop more than a certain number of points below that starting average .
This prevents the higher average bowlers from starting low and bowling a little better each week to maintain max handicap.
7.) along these samelimes you cannot use a sub with a 220 average tp replace a bowler with a 100 average.

These are all LEAGUE issues not USBC issues. The league's board of directors (officers and captains) vote to keep or change any of these at league meetings as they are brought up.

[billf]

Classic USBC, they gave you an opinion, but no specific rule.

With no rule, they can't enforce that opinion.

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